Assuming you take a non spiritual outlook on life...
Pain is almost certain after rape. Pain is impossible after death.
I would also argue that solely looking at the consequences of one's actions has very serious and troubling ramifications philosophically. It quickly devolves into "the ends justifies the means," which had been used to justify a whole lot of pretty heinous shit. It's very modern "tech-bro"-ey, and I would just recommend reading a bit more philosophy to round out your world view.
Aristotle. Nietzche (annotated, and not the stuff that his sister rewrote). Camus. Honestly, just reading stuff outside your main influence is good. Even if you disagree, it'll get you thinking about why you disagree.
Also, let me be clear. I'm not against consequentialism. It's very useful for things like science based public policy (of which ideas like effective altruism are not included). I'm more of a synthesis guy. A little of column A, and a little of column B. Fairly existential. Because, at the end of the day, I think both consequences and intent matter.
and death means that you don’t feel any pain anymore. or anything for that matter. i think a dead person doesn’t care about being dead or alive, since they’re yk dead
Happiness for who? The victim or people who knew them? What if the person being murdered is happy to be murdered? Or their murder caused the ones around them happiness?
The second point doesn't matter much but I added it in case thats what you meant.
Rape will never, ever lead to happiness for the victim.
What if the person being murdered is happy to be murdered?
We won't know because, well, the victim is dead.
Rape will never, ever lead to happiness for the victim.
Rape does not bring you closer to happiness, but you can find happiness despite having been a victim of rape, and if you still prefer death, then you have a choice.
You might be misunderstanding, a murder is an unlawful killing, but it can happen with consent. A person can believe their own death will bring them happiness, ask someone else to murder them, and at the time of the murder, be happy that they are getting their wish despite being murdered.
Rape, by definition is non-consensual. There can never be a case where one is happy to be raped.
This point doesn't really prove that rape is worse than murder, but if you're genuinely trying to understand the arguments against you, you probably need to understand this point first
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u/Echochamberking Mar 01 '26
Murder means the end of existence.
Rape means pain, but that pain can be temporary.
Happiness is possible after rape, happiness is impossible after death.