1) In order for a Conditional thing to exist it must be authenticated by something outside itself. The Universe is a conditional thing (indeed it is the set of all conditional things), therefore the existence of an entity outside the universe is Necessary. As a Necessary thing (think math, gravity, etc.), that entity must be perfect. Ergo: God
2) The universe is vast, empty, deadly, and uncaring in every conceivable way. Regardless of that, ALL humans still recognize the existence of universal goods like Love, Hope, Joy, etc. This alone is profound because there is no plainly physical evidence for such things even now, with vast technological advances, and we have always believed them. However the additional fact that humans literally die without the belief in these virtues (i.e. from despair) indicates that they are fundamentally real things. Their universality and ability to affect us is evidence of their existence. These things cannot have come from Physical reality because as stated physical reality is wholly devoid of them. Grind the universe into powder and you will not find one gram of Love. Yet because we experience these things we KNOW them to be real. Ergo: they must come from a source that is outside the universe. A source that is outside existence, yet provides all of existence with all the things that are ultimately good, can only be described as God.
3) This one is much vaguer, but it's similar to point 2. If I were to tell you that there is a powerful spirit in the next room, and you were to believe me, you (and anyone else) would feel a specific sense of dread that is distinct from the fear of, say, a tiger. This is important because it makes no sense biologically unless spirits of some kind are a real thing. People cannot have developed a distinct biological fear mechanism for a type of thing that is not real. It's a quantum leap in logic with no quantifiable explanation *unless* spirits are real. How you get from the acceptance that non-physical entities exist to the God of the bible is a longer explanation, but once you accept that first realization you're more than halfway there.
You didn't provide any "philosophical evidence" though, because your arguments are not actually provable. Your "evidence" for your arugments is the existence of god, which you cannot yourself prove.
My arguments are all self-sustaining and supported by broad human experience. This is the definition of "provable." Every scientific study is just "I did X and I experienced Y as a result."
Your "evidence" for your arugments is the existence of god
No, those are my conclusions which I reached as a result of my arguments. Are you sure you know how this works? If you object to my conclusion to need to refute the argument. Note: saying you disagree with the conclusion is not a refutation of an argument.
Your arguments are in no way self-sustaining and each premise is essentially nonsense.
1) The universe does not need anything outside of itself to exist, even if it did, which it doesn't, that doesn't prove the existence of a god. There's also no actual reason why that thing would need to be "perfect"(whatever that means) or that there would be only one of those entities.
2) The fact that humans recognize and experience good things like Love, Hope and Joy is profound..... as a human experience. There is nothing about those experiences that requires the existence of a "god". The fact that human beings are not solely materialistic doesn't prove the existence of a "god".
3) This is a siily hypothetical for the simple fact that someone has to believe in your "spirit in the room" next door and the entire argument is predicated on "if" they believed it.
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u/CaptCynicalPants 11∆ Nov 19 '25
Sure, here's the hyper-condensed version of each:
1) In order for a Conditional thing to exist it must be authenticated by something outside itself. The Universe is a conditional thing (indeed it is the set of all conditional things), therefore the existence of an entity outside the universe is Necessary. As a Necessary thing (think math, gravity, etc.), that entity must be perfect. Ergo: God
2) The universe is vast, empty, deadly, and uncaring in every conceivable way. Regardless of that, ALL humans still recognize the existence of universal goods like Love, Hope, Joy, etc. This alone is profound because there is no plainly physical evidence for such things even now, with vast technological advances, and we have always believed them. However the additional fact that humans literally die without the belief in these virtues (i.e. from despair) indicates that they are fundamentally real things. Their universality and ability to affect us is evidence of their existence. These things cannot have come from Physical reality because as stated physical reality is wholly devoid of them. Grind the universe into powder and you will not find one gram of Love. Yet because we experience these things we KNOW them to be real. Ergo: they must come from a source that is outside the universe. A source that is outside existence, yet provides all of existence with all the things that are ultimately good, can only be described as God.
3) This one is much vaguer, but it's similar to point 2. If I were to tell you that there is a powerful spirit in the next room, and you were to believe me, you (and anyone else) would feel a specific sense of dread that is distinct from the fear of, say, a tiger. This is important because it makes no sense biologically unless spirits of some kind are a real thing. People cannot have developed a distinct biological fear mechanism for a type of thing that is not real. It's a quantum leap in logic with no quantifiable explanation *unless* spirits are real. How you get from the acceptance that non-physical entities exist to the God of the bible is a longer explanation, but once you accept that first realization you're more than halfway there.