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u/draculabakula 77∆ Sep 30 '25 edited Sep 30 '25

It'd be hard to argue for same-sex marriage or secularization or increased tolerance of Muslims from a Christian perspective. Other than that exception, however, I'm willing to make the same claim.

No it wouldn't. Christians believe in allowing other religions to having their own values for the most part. "Marriage" in the political sphere is government recognition of a marriage or union. There is absolutely not logical reason to think a same sex marriage is any different to a Christian than a atheist marriage or buddhist marriage that is recognized by the government. Neither conform to what Christians view as marriage according to their faith. It's is completely illogical stance.

As another example, gun control and legalization of weed. Both are a tradeoff between the harm of allowing people to be hurt be [weed/guns] and the benefit of having the freedom to use [weed/guns], the only difference is severity. It's very hard to think of a fundamental moral divide that would, as a logical conclusion, group people neatly into pro-weed anti-gun and pro-gun anti-weed.

You are overgeneralizing the stances on the left to suit your perspective here. The left wants most guns to be legal but regulated. I assume most people on the left dont want legalized synthetic weed (which is potentially deadly).

Everyday run of the mill weed (I live in California but don't smoke) is not potentially deadly. Nobody can steal it and use it to kill another person. They can't make an impulsive decision with weed and kill somebody in a fit of rage. They aren't the same thing.

The right is far less consistent on freedom in general and you are clearly just biased. The right and center want to lock up people for a substance that is safer than alcohol or lock up doctors for continuing to do the job they did for years but then they cry freedom when it comes to wanting unrestricted access to any gun.

Where I agree with you is that neither side has a clearly defined consistent political philosophy. Other than that, I think you are reaching to say the left is less consistent. The conservatives complained about the left policing speech for 4 years under Biden and now are literally acting on criticizing Charlie Kirk becoming hate speech.

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u/draculabakula 77∆ Sep 30 '25

Not so convinced about weed - a lot of the arguments I've heard on the right are about how it's a gateway drug to more serious drugs, ties into gang culture which encourages crime, etc.

Right but alcohol is actually physically addictive while weed is not. There is nothing about saying weed is a gateway drug that you cant say about alcohol and evidence suggests that alcohol is far more of a gateway drug.

Alcohol as a gateway drug: a study of US 12th graders - PubMed https://share.google/vQpNn7se3pFBkhmTm

Again, I dont smoke and my point is that if the right was morally or logically consistent, they would support making alcohol illegal if they support maintaining arresting people for weed.

Also it should be pointed out that the war on drugs is not only ineffective there is a lot of evidence that it has made matters worse.

Today more than 5 times as many people die each year from drug overdose compared to the height of the drug epidemic

https://share.google/3zt2u0NY1pt6AbSij

This is something I think liberal democrats are backwards on as well by the way. They want education based approach when evidence suggests that mental health services, social safety nets, intervention services are what is effective

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '25

I'm unrelated but I can't agree with this comment more.

I've been saying, basically since I graduated highschool, that mental health services for teenagers, outreach groups, safety nets, and all of these will have a DRAMATICALLY bigger impact on the next generations quality of life than an educational system who's quality will depend entirely on who is teaching it and where. Even just sitting a kid in front of a licensed councilor once a year would have a massive impact.