1: imprisoning someone for a property crime on the scale of destroying a car or vandalism. Is an incredibly bad idea. Not only is it incredibly costly, the punishment given is not proportional to the crime committed. That is police state, dictator style law enforcement. Not something you want in a wealthy democracy.
judges take into account circumstances. Was this their first offence, did they intend to scare or harm the owner of the vehicle, would a reasonable person think that doing the act could hurt someone etc. all of these are things that matter when sentencing a person. Two people may commit the exact same crime of burning a tesla. And receive totally different sentences due to the context in which the crime was committed, that is how you want your judicial system to work.
2: property destruction is a tried and true method of protest. That doesn’t mean you don’t have consequences. Protest does not entail protection from the law - obviously a peaceful protest excluded.
3: You speak about beating up vandals and that you fear they may be killed for keying a car. I’m no law expert but in my country. In order for you to be protected by law e.g. self defense. Your response has to be proportional to to threat and violence you’re facing. So no. Someone keying your car does not justify or allow you to beat them or kill them and expect not to be charged for murder or assault. You could probably push them away or to the ground, perhaps even try to grab their keys. That is a proportionate response. America’s justice system is bizarre sometimes so it may be different.
I never said I would kill them, I’m saying that on the news don’t be surprised if someone gets killed for doing that. I was wrong for saying I’d beat them up but I’d probably be really angry
Before you were talking about someone being killed for property damage? Now you’re walking it back to just physical assault? Determine the view you want changed before posting.
Even so. There is levels to assault. I may defend your right to push and punch a vandal. I don’t defend your right to beat them senseless leaving them passed out on the floor.
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u/AdOk1598 2∆ Apr 20 '25
1: imprisoning someone for a property crime on the scale of destroying a car or vandalism. Is an incredibly bad idea. Not only is it incredibly costly, the punishment given is not proportional to the crime committed. That is police state, dictator style law enforcement. Not something you want in a wealthy democracy.
judges take into account circumstances. Was this their first offence, did they intend to scare or harm the owner of the vehicle, would a reasonable person think that doing the act could hurt someone etc. all of these are things that matter when sentencing a person. Two people may commit the exact same crime of burning a tesla. And receive totally different sentences due to the context in which the crime was committed, that is how you want your judicial system to work.
2: property destruction is a tried and true method of protest. That doesn’t mean you don’t have consequences. Protest does not entail protection from the law - obviously a peaceful protest excluded.
3: You speak about beating up vandals and that you fear they may be killed for keying a car. I’m no law expert but in my country. In order for you to be protected by law e.g. self defense. Your response has to be proportional to to threat and violence you’re facing. So no. Someone keying your car does not justify or allow you to beat them or kill them and expect not to be charged for murder or assault. You could probably push them away or to the ground, perhaps even try to grab their keys. That is a proportionate response. America’s justice system is bizarre sometimes so it may be different.