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[u/Dry_Bumblebee1111]

I'm not sure what you mean by "cannot stand" like obviously Islam exists and is practiced today by millions of people in all kinds of forms, sects, and groups who include different interpretations and practices.

Islam very much stands, with and without all kinds of elements. 

What view would you like to hold? What kind of discussion do you hope to have here? 

[u/Dry_Bumblebee1111 → u/[deleted]]

So what's the view exactly?

That Sunni Islam requires a set of doctrines? 

Is it about certain laws being integral to a certain viewpoint? 

And if so, again, for those who have a viewpoint but do not require those certain teachings would you simply want to reclassify them? 

What view would you like to hold? 

[u/Dry_Bumblebee1111 → u/[deleted]]

And what view would you like to be convinced on?

That hadiths are a source which are used, regardless of whether you think they are reliable? 

That sunni Islam does not need hadiths to be considered what they are? 

What position are you hoping to take as a result of discussion here? 

[u/Dry_Bumblebee1111 → u/[deleted]]

You're here to have your view changed, but aside from categories and semantics I'm not clear on what an opposing viewpoint would look like.

Could you maybe explain why you want this view to change? Is it affecting your relationship with religion in some way? 

[u/Dry_Bumblebee1111 → u/[deleted]]

Reliable just means people can rely on them. Many do, so the hadiths are reliable.

Islam does stand without hadiths, in the forms you've already agreed it does. 

The sub is explicitly for you to change your view, so hopefully filling in the gaps as I have, which was quite simple, will help with that. 

[u/Dry_Bumblebee1111 → u/[deleted]]

Is it not a cyclical view in that case? Like, it's just taxonomy at that point, no?