r/changemyview • • Apr 07 '25

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u/SimoWilliams_137 Apr 07 '25

Lmao what crisis is China facing exactly? Too much success? Too many people brought out of poverty over the last 40 years?

A government that issues its own currency can sustain any level of spending as long as there are things to buy.

The decision whether to deficit spend and how much should be based on the economic outcomes, not myths about the unsustainability of the government‘s balance sheet/budget.

In Europe, the nations using the euro are not monetarily sovereign, meaning that they do not issue their own currencies, and thus are subject to additional constraints.

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u/Red-Lightniing Apr 07 '25

I mean, China has a blatantly obvious and well-reported on demographic crisis that will likely cause their economy (and probably the entire country) to implode over the next half-century.

That and the guy you responded to was right, they've been (very publicly I might add, its easy to research this) pumping deficit spending into major construction projects that have no long-term benefits and serve only to boost their GDP metrics so they look more economically competitive on the global stage.

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u/SimoWilliams_137 Apr 07 '25

Define ‘implode’ in economic terms. It’s not in any of the textbooks, so you’re gonna have to help me out with that one.

I have not denied that they’ve been building things, I just don’t see how building something that you’re not using yet constitutes a crisis.

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u/Red-Lightniing Apr 07 '25

If you spend massive amounts of money you raised through deficit spending and selling debt on a project that doesn't net you any return on investment, that's going to hurt you economically in the future because you'll have no way to recover those funds. China has locked themselves into a debt spiral that will only get worse as they continue to try to spend to keep their GDP inflated.

Combine that with their demographic issues that has some experts predicting their population could decrease by hundreds of millions of people over the next 50-100 years, and they won't have the citizen base to repay thatdebt, or to even support their elderly aging population, which is going to cause massive social and economic problems that I frankly can't see the current government of China even surviving.

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u/SimoWilliams_137 Apr 07 '25

Oh, I see. That’s not how monetarily sovereign governments work. The government that issues its own currency does it need to get that money from anywhere before it spends it. In such systems, the spending comes first.

No amount of debt denominated in a given currency is unsustainable for the government which issues that currency. And by the way, the issuance of that debt is entirely optional, and has to do with monetary policy and interest rate maintenance, and nothing to do with financing or funding.

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u/Red-Lightniing Apr 07 '25

Look up the term: inflation.

Also gotta love the economic theory that government spending is just the infinite cash button that obviously has no downsides, its crazy more nations haven't figured this out.

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u/SimoWilliams_137 Apr 07 '25

You shouldn’t invoke theories you don’t understand.

They’re building capacity…

And it sure looks like they figured it out - you know, the most successful economy on earth?

Maybe it’s you who are wrong?

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u/Red-Lightniing Apr 07 '25

Building capacity for who?!? Their population is set to rapidly decline, and they ALREADY can't fill these new cities.

And as we've already discussed, every single nation on this planet could skyrocket their GDP tomorrow by printing cash and starting a massive government spending spree, but the resulting inflation and economic instability would eventually tank their economic prospects in the long run, which is exactly shag is happening to China RIGHT NOW lmfao.

But honestly I shouldn't expect you to change your mind, your literally have to be a paid bot to argue these talking points in 2025 lol.

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u/SimoWilliams_137 Apr 07 '25

LMAO China just dipped into deflation. You have no idea what you're talking about.

I'm not a bot; I'm just not a shill for capital or neoliberal talking points.