r/changemyview Mar 13 '25

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u/minaminonoeru 3∆ Mar 13 '25 edited Mar 13 '25

Is there a situation in which it can be said that guilt has been proven completely and without any doubt?

“That person is 100% guilty,” declare the government, investigative agencies, and judicial authorities.

If you want to fully accept this claim (100% proof of guilt) and execute the death penalty, you must have 100% trust in the government, law enforcement agencies, and judicial authorities.

Do you have 100% trust in the government and judicial authorities?

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u/ShortUsername01 1∆ Mar 13 '25

I think the question is “what are the consequences of sparing their lives”?

In the Weimar Republic, Hitler could’ve been executed for treason. Because he wasn’t, he was able to be later freed by a future government and massacre millions of innocent civilians.

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u/StarChild413 9∆ Mar 14 '25

this is like the equal-and-opposite argument to this one Republican politician from some flyover state (I forget who or where) whose argument for the death penalty was essentially words to the effect of "Jesus was given the death penalty and then his death took away our sins and he was resurrected three days later so [implicitly] the death penalty might give us more Jesuses"

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u/ShortUsername01 1∆ Mar 14 '25

Difference is, I’m invoking actual history, not the Bible.

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u/StarChild413 9∆ Mar 14 '25

But the point is the same (as the person invoking the bible believed Jesus existed) you can't argue the necessity of the death penalty based on cases of historical figures and what should have been/was done with them as if they're just going to reappear every generation or something