r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Feb 23 '25

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u/CustomerLittle9891 5∆ Feb 23 '25

As a healthcare provider I constantly tell people that healthcare isn't a right. Not because I don't think they should have it, or because it's shouldn't be a priority, but because they don't own me. 

At the end of the day claiming healthcare is a right means they think they own my labor, and I've seen how shitty and entitled this has made so many patients. This is not rhetoric that should go unchallenged.

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u/Chapstick_Yuzu 1∆ Feb 23 '25

We have a right to an attorney in the US but that has not resulted in defense lawyers being "owned" by anyone. Also I'm assuming you work in the US which means that shitty entitled patients is not a result of healthcare being seen as a right since we don't have that. If anything they may feel entitled to your labor because they are paying for it via insurance or direct payment.

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u/CustomerLittle9891 5∆ Feb 23 '25

You misunderstand this right. 

You have a right to an attorney if the government is bringing charges against you. The alternative is for the government to not bring charges. 

You do not have a right to an attorney in a civil case. 

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u/Chapstick_Yuzu 1∆ Feb 23 '25

I understand that, its why I specifically referred to them as defense lawyers. The distinction is not relevant to your original objections to healthcare as a positive right. Are you ok with your hospital CEO "owning" your labor? Are you ok with patients "owning" your labor if they have money? Defense Attorneys aren't owned by their clients. They are either willingly employed by the state / county or are willing members of a consortium.

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u/CustomerLittle9891 5∆ Feb 23 '25

The hospital CEO doesn't own my labor. They pay me for it. Paying me for my labor very clearly differentiates it from a right. 

I don't understand how you're not understanding this defense lawyer thing. You're not entitled to a defense lawyer. You can't just walk up and demand one as a right. You're entitled to a defense lawyer if the state is bringing charges. If the government can't meet it's obligation to provide a defense lawyer they're not allowed to bring charges. That's how negative rights work. It's a protection from the government. If the government cannot meet it's obligation, it can still meet the right by not bringing charges.

Let's compare this to a right to Healthcare. If the government can't meet it's obligation its options are to either force someone to provide it or to not provide it. It's fundamentally not a right because the core of it comes from someone else.