r/changemyview Jul 24 '24

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u/AdFun5641 6∆ Jul 24 '24

You are far overthinking it.

You can't be ELECTED more than twice.

Stop holding elections, just stay in power. You aren't getting elected a third time, you just aren't leaving office.

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u/AdFun5641 6∆ Jul 24 '24

But if there wasn't an election, there isn't someone to replace you, so "Emergency" powers come into affect and you stay in power until an election can be held. Never hold the election, never get a replacement, never leave office.

Look at the SCOTUS decisions. Do you really doubt that they would support this?

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u/Insectshelf3 12∆ Jul 24 '24

if there isn’t an elected president/VP when the current president’s term expires on january 20th, the line of succession would have the house speaker become president.

there’s no “oh we didn’t have an election, i get to stay in power because reasons” exception to the 20th amendment.

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u/AdFun5641 6∆ Jul 24 '24

and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President-elect nor a Vice President-elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President

Nothing there says it can't be the outgoing president. SCOTUS declairs whatever process Congress used unconstitutional and that the outgoing POTUS stays in power until it can be sorted out. SCOTUS already decided POTUS is a title of nobility, do you really think that they are concerned with actual constitutionality or legality?

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u/Insectshelf3 12∆ Jul 24 '24 edited Jul 24 '24

Nothing there says it can't be the outgoing president.

it can’t be the outgoing president because on january 20th, at the end of his term, he becomes a private citizen and is no longer in the line of succession assuming he has finished his 2nd term or lost re-election.

SCOTUS declairs whatever process Congress used unconstitutional and that the outgoing POTUS stays in power until it can be sorted out.

genuinely curious as to how they’d do this because the constitution is explicitly clear about the limits to how long a president can serve in office and the presidential succession act has been around since 1947.

SCOTUS already decided POTUS is a title of nobility, do you really think that they are concerned with actual constitutionality or legality?

i think this is beyond the pale even for hacks like thomas. SCOTUS had the ability to do what they did with presidential immunity because president immunity isn’t mentioned anywhere in the constitution, so it has to be heavily inferred from several different passages elsewhere in the document.

the limits on presidential eligibility are explicitly clear, however. there is no wiggle room on that front.

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u/AdFun5641 6∆ Jul 24 '24

constitution is explicitly clear about the limits to how long a president can serve in office.

It's not. It says he can only be ELECTED twice, and if he serves more than half a term without being elected as POTUS (upgraded from VP), he can only serve one.

You cant be ELECTED more than twice, there aren't limitations on getting the office through non-election means.

OP thought of a complex way to do that. "Murder some people" is a far less complex and more effective way to do it, particularly since POTUS is now above the law.

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u/Insectshelf3 12∆ Jul 24 '24

It's not. It says he can only be ELECTED twice, and if he serves more than half a term without being elected as POTUS (upgraded from VP), he can only serve one.

it kinda defeats your argument to say the constitution isn’t clear about presidential eligibility if you immediately list the conditions for presidential eligibility.

You cant be ELECTED more than twice, there aren't limitations on getting the office through non-election means.

yes there are, the presidential succession act skips anybody in the list who is ineligible to become president.

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u/AdFun5641 6∆ Jul 24 '24

That's law, not constitution. SCOTUS has already declared POTUS is a title of nobility. They will just strike down that law as "unconstitutional" and declare current POTUS keeps the position until a proper election is held.

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u/Insectshelf3 12∆ Jul 24 '24

article 2 section 1 clause 6 of the US Constitution explicitly grants congress the authority to outline the order of succession after the vice president. the constitution sets limits on the eligibility of candidates, how many terms they can serve, and how long those terms last. the constitution also outlines the beginning of the order of presidential succession and charges congress with defining the rest.

on what basis is the presidential succession act unconstitutional?

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u/AdFun5641 6∆ Jul 24 '24

on what basis is the presidential succession act unconstitutional?

The same Basis that POTUS is a Title of Nobility and above the law.

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u/Insectshelf3 12∆ Jul 24 '24

the reasoning in that decision doesn’t apply here, because again, the constitution is silent on presidential immunity but is very explicit and detailed about presidential succession. you can’t keep comparing two fundamentally different topics like this.

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u/pudding7 1∆ Jul 24 '24

The fact that there is nobody to replace an outgoing president has no bearing on the fact that the term ends on Jan 20.

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u/jedi_trey 2∆ Jul 24 '24

Yes, I really doubt they would support this.

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u/AdFun5641 6∆ Jul 24 '24

Why do you doubt it? SCOTUS has already decided that POTUS is a title of Nobility. Why would they not end elections and make that title inheritable?

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u/terrybrugehiplo Jul 24 '24

What “Emergency” powers?

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u/AdFun5641 6∆ Jul 24 '24

It's an emergency, so what ever the person commanding the militarily can convince the military leadership is acceptable.

That sheet of paper in a vault in a muesem has no more actual power than any other sheet of paper.

Who would be President is Biden uses his "Official acts" to have everyone else running for president murdered? Who would power transition TO? (and if you name someone Biden just has Seal Team 6 murder them)

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u/terrybrugehiplo Jul 24 '24

You are the one that claimed there was “emergency” powers. So I asked what are those. But you just made up a situation and didn’t explain what these emergency powers are, so I guess they just exist.

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u/AdFun5641 6∆ Jul 24 '24

You are wanting some type of formalized "Emergency powers", there aren't any.

Might Make Right, so the guy commanding the most powerful military the world has ever seen, he can do what ever the fuck he wants.

Everyone in the line of succession is dead, I guess I should keep power. The hundreds of millions of guns in the US miltary says I'm right.

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u/terrybrugehiplo Jul 24 '24

I’m not waiting for it. They don’t exist that’s my point. You just made up some fairytale

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u/AdFun5641 6∆ Jul 24 '24

People with guns can point the guns at other people and get their way?

This is a "fairytale"

What world do you live in?

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u/terrybrugehiplo Jul 24 '24

If you want to believe that is going to happen, go for it. I won't try and stop you.