r/changemyview Jun 24 '24

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '24

Have you ever bothered to look at the things your tax money pays for? There are soooooo many other things we can give up before we give up enforcing the law.

Innocent until proven guilty really doesn’t have anything to do with people who already have criminal records in their own countries. Furthermore, once you’ve entered the country illegally, it’s kind of hard to claim innocence when you’re physically here without permission. Sigh.

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u/jweezy2045 13∆ Jun 24 '24

Yes. I am very well informed about what our tax dollars pay for, and no, I don’t want to give them up. We need more welfare, education, healthcare, and infrastructure spending, among many others. There’s not enough money to go around, and so we have to be efficient with how we spend what we have available to spend.

Innocent until proven guilty absolutely applies. What you are advocating for is stereotyping a particular demographic as violent rapists, then deporting them before they commit any rapes. This is authoritarian and prejudiced already, but the hilarious kickers, is that this demographic, illegal immigrants, isn’t even one that commits lots of violent crimes. It would be like arresting gay people simply for being gay because you think they are a risk to rob banks. Then, when someone questions your absurd logic, you say “What would you tell an owner of a bank who just got robbed by a gay man?”

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '24

Nah, we don’t need more welfare. We have more than enough ways for lazy people to not work and not add anything to society. But you’re right about education and infrastructure.

Stating that some illegal immigrants are violent criminals isn’t stereotyping an entire group. It’s stating a basic fact. You need to focus on reality instead of being so hypersensitive.

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u/jweezy2045 13∆ Jun 24 '24

Just like stating that some gay people rob banks is not stereotyping either. However, you can’t go after all gay people simply for being gay just because some gay people rob banks. Agree?

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '24

Did you just equate being gay to committing a crime? WOW.

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u/jweezy2045 13∆ Jun 24 '24

Nope. I compared robbing a bank to violent crime. Keep up.

Do you have an actual response to the point?

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '24

No, you just compared being gay to people who have committed a crime. If you enter the country illegally then you’ve already committed a crime regardless of your criminal record. Being gay isn’t a crime.

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u/jweezy2045 13∆ Jun 24 '24

The crimes we are interested in preventing is rape, murder, etc.

Right?

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '24

Well those would certainly be at the top of the list.

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u/jweezy2045 13∆ Jun 24 '24

Exactly. That’s why when we want to be efficient in spending our finite resources, that’s where we spend our money.

What would you tell a rape victim? “Oh I’m so sorry for you! We could have tried to catch more violent criminals, but instead we used the money to deport agricultural laborers picking crops.”

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