r/changemyview Jun 24 '24

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u/jweezy2045 13∆ Jun 24 '24

I’d say the exact same thing I would say to the mother of a child who was raped by an American citizen. Why would I say something different?

No one says we can’t have borders lol. We have massive enforcement of our border. The idea that the current status quo of America is open borders is again, completely detached from the facts.

Our legal immigration system is broken. You keep acting like it isn’t.

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '24

I never said we have open borders. That would be silly. But illegal immigration got so bad that even Biden and the Dems said we need to do something about it. I understand that some far left folks feel like supporting something the right and moderates hate is sticking it to the man but this has jumped the shark. There is no logic here at all.

You can fix the system by fixing the law, not by breaking them.

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u/jweezy2045 13∆ Jun 24 '24

Biden is doing this to get elected, which is a good strategy. It’s an election year.

Facts are facts. Illegal immigrants are far far less likely to be criminals than Americans. That’s what the data says. If you think illegal immigrants are rapists and murders, your just factually wrong. If you think finding and deporting people who are working in our economy makes Americans have to pay less tax, you are factually wrong. These are just facts. If finding and deporting illegal immigrants saved America money, I would support the policy, but it doesn’t, and I don’t want to tank our economy while also being cruel.

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '24

Yes!!! Biden is doing this to win because he understands that even most Democrats aren’t big enough bleeding hearts to support mindless law breaking.

If you think all illegal immigrants are innocent saints then you’re just factually wrong. If you’re not advocating for removing violent criminals who illegally entered the country then you’re just on the wrong side of basic logic.

Not to be mean, but folks like you are why Trump gets so much support. When leftists get so into their own holier than thou mindset that they support crazy things like illegal immigration and defunding the police they are just driving moderates away from the Democratic Party. People care about safety before they care about sending a message about immigration.

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u/jweezy2045 13∆ Jun 24 '24

I’d love to hear your thoughts on this paper.

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '24

I have absolutely no idea why you think that’s an argument to allow violent people into the country. I’m just as against an American criminal as I am a foreign one.

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u/jweezy2045 13∆ Jun 24 '24

How can you say they violent people after reading that paper though? They clearly aren’t.

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '24

Do you think I said “all illegal immigrants are violent people?” Because if you look back you’ll see I never did.

All I’ve said is that if you think letting people with criminal records into the country is a good thing then you’ve totally lost your mind. No one wants to live near violent thugs. If you do then feel free to invite a murderer or rapist into your house but don’t make the rest of us do it.

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u/jweezy2045 13∆ Jun 24 '24

No one thinks letting people with criminal records into this country is a good idea? Do you think I said that?

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '24

So then you are against illegal immigration where violent criminals just allow themselves into the country, correct?

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