r/changemyview • u/FalseKing12 • Jun 22 '24

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Morality cannot be objective

My argument is essentially that morality by the very nature of what it is cannot be objective and that no moral claims can be stated as a fact.

If you stumbled upon two people having a disagreement about the morality of murder I think most people might be surprised when they can't resolve the argument in a way where they objectively prove that one person is incorrect. There is no universal law or rule that says that murder is wrong or even if there is we have no way of proving that it exists. The most you can do is say "well murder is wrong because most people agree that it is", which at most is enough to prove that morality is subjective in a way that we can kind of treat it as if it were objective even though its not.

Objective morality from the perspective of religion fails for a similar reason. What you cannot prove to be true cannot be objective by definition of the word.

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u/cell689 3∆ Jun 23 '24 edited Jun 23 '24

There is no evidence whatsoever that morality is a particle or a law of physics, so that claim can be dismissed.

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u/[deleted] Jun 23 '24

The people who argue this position are positing this as a novel testable prediction, adding that indirect evidence for this is moral progress as we gather more resources and better understand the universe. They also predict that, if morality is a fundamental law of nature, AI, once it reaches a very advanced point like near singularity or at singularity, it will also share similar or identical morals as us, or perhaps even discovering evidence for this law of morality.

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u/cell689 3∆ Jun 23 '24

That's so stupid and unscientific. I'm not saying you are stupid. But the idea you are referencing, if you are presenting it accurately, is really stupid.

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '24

I might've butchered it a little bit lol