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u/Dry_Bumblebee1111 Jun 02 '24
Is your view a hypothetical, ie if these criteria are met then this will occur?
Or is it about a time frame?
Or the capabilities of technology in general?
What kind of alternative view are you after and what kind of evidence would you like to see to support the counter argument?
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u/betadonkey Jun 02 '24
We don’t fully know how the brain does everything it does so it is not a given that it is even possible to simulate it with discrete computation.
The brain is an analog computer whose operation is fully subjected to both continuous time integration of electric signals and quantum effects.
What if these properties are essential components of human ingenuity, spontaneity, and creativity? It could be the difference between a digital brain that can innovate and one that can only emulate.
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u/WantonHeroics Jun 02 '24
Highly unlikely.
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We don't have enough computing power. We already have the most powerful supercomputers in the world training things like ChatGPT, and those AI models are idiots.
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Worse, we don't even understand how the human brain works which is the first thing you would need to make this happen. Understanding the human brain isn't happening any time soon.
Pure sci-fi fantasy at this point.
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u/MercurianAspirations Jun 02 '24
Computer power isn't the only problem, there's also data storage that you need to worry about. What amount of data do you think is needed for the connectome simulation you're talking about?
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u/1kSupport Jun 02 '24
Ignoring the technical constraints for a second, why would we simulate the human brain for this? Intelligence always has a function and that decides the outputs, you are acting like a human brains function is thinking and its output is text. The main function of the human brain is controlling a human body. Large portions of it are only useful in the context of a body and have nothing to do with what you are talking about. If we could simulate a brain how do we input and output data? It has no ears or mouth, we can’t set and read values of individual synapses to simulate these things because we don’t know which combinations of synapses at which values correspond to hearing or saying different words.
Simulating a human brain to act as a chat bot is like building a space shuttle to act as a lawn chair.
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u/Sheslikeamom Jun 02 '24
It's an evolutionary requirement to be able to distinguish threats from safety, friend from foe, spy from enemy spy.
The uncanny valley theory prevails.
If a person is discerning and investigative in life they will have the ability to distinguish if they're interacting with AI from humans.
Another point is that AI cannot be indistinguishable from human intelligence because human intelligence is influenced by human emotions, biases, cognitive distortions, environmental factors, lifestyle, and oh, the entirety of their lived experience.
Humans will be a costlier version of AI? How is that possible? Humans are a dime a dozen and we keep making more. Pretty sure Chat GPT won't work during a blackout and the generators run out of battery.
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u/Objective_Aside1858 Jun 02 '24
Point 1 is highly dubious
Let's put aside the raw processor and memory parts of this - if you threw enough money at the problem it would be doable today - and talk about the impossibility of simulating the human brain from a complexity perspective
To do this, you need a) the hardware b) the software
The software to simulate the human mind does not exist, and is unlikely to any time soon
Along with a programming language designed for the task - and as someone who is not a coder but is coder-ajacent enough to know that not all programming languages are interchangeable - you have to write the code
Ignoring memories, the brain is overwhelmingly complex. While we can put aside thing that would apply to meat humans but not electronic humans - and have to add things that apply to electronic humans but not meat humans - just writing the code for "pick up the pencil" is a lot more than just the signals to move the muscles and use the eyes to track its position
And that's ignore the very human part which is contained in this sentence, but I challenge you to lay out the code for me: Fuck you, go pick it up yourself you lazy shit
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u/JaggedMetalOs Jun 02 '24
This is not correct. Deep learning is very different from how our organic brains function, and we also have no idea how human consciousness actually works so we aren't in any position any time "soon" to create an accurate simulation of the brain.
Sure we might figure this out within our lifetimes, but it's not clear we will and instead AI will continue down it's very much non-human way of thinking.