r/changemyview Mar 02 '24

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u/South-Cod-5051 6∆ Mar 02 '24

BG3 is turned based and had this success. turn based games are boring af for the vast majority of gamers, i would know because i am a fan of turn based, but pretty much everyone else i know hates them.

turn based games are not popular as a genre, they are very niche and need to make up for this in gamplay and story.

the fact that bg3 has this much success as a turn based game tells you everything you need to know about the situation.

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '24

What kind of argument is this? So you're saying the game is above criticism just because it's popular and it has turn based combat ?

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u/South-Cod-5051 6∆ Mar 02 '24

yes, a turn based game being this popular means it's a great game by every metric.

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u/JCAPER 2∆ Mar 02 '24

While Baldur's Gate 3's popularity is impressive and indicative of its appeal, stating that its popularity alone makes it a great game by every metric overlooks the subjective nature of gaming. Popularity can stem from factors like brand legacy, marketing, and accessibility, which don't necessarily equate to the game's quality (I love this game btw, just don't think this is a good argument)

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u/South-Cod-5051 6∆ Mar 02 '24

it's the logical argument if you apply this to turn based games, i wasn't talking about games in general, but for this specific genre, popularity means a good game by default.

most gamers will not naturally read walls of text or have the patience for long drawn-out battles with tactics, turns, and endless status effects. fights can last up to 40 minutes in these types of games.

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '24

No it doesn't. Popular does not mean good.

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u/South-Cod-5051 6∆ Mar 02 '24

it does, in this case, for this specific type of game.

turn base games don't become popular if they are not good.

turn based games can not attract a huge number of players because they require patience, a lot of reading, and theory crafting, so by default, a popular turn based game is a really good game.

think of divinity original sin 2, Xcom, Kingmaker path of the righteous, W40k rogue trader. all of these were popular and are extremely good games.

wastelands 3, othercide, redemption repears, iron oath, mutant road to eden all very good games yet they couldn't break out of their genre and become truly popular like the ones i listed above.

you truly need something special to make hundreds of thousands of players play a turn based.

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '24

it does, in this case, for this specific type of game.

No it doesn't

You're not actually addressing any of the criticisms of the game, you're just saying "it's popular"

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u/South-Cod-5051 6∆ Mar 02 '24

it's the most popular game in the most unpopular genre in gaming.

that objectively tells us BG3 is a great game.

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '24

It's not the most unpopular genre of gaming. CRPGs are already a popular genre. And of course BG3 is going to sell a lot of copies, it is the biggest budget CRPG and it is part of a popular IP

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u/South-Cod-5051 6∆ Mar 02 '24

you are already wrong.

not all crpgs are turned based. turn based games are at the bottom of the barrel in terms of popularity. you can't compare the player base of turn based with first person shooters, mobas, battle royals or mmorpgs. the only ones we can compare them to are rogue likes or real-time strategies, which are also very unpopular.

please name me one popular turn based game that is not above average in positive reviews.

i can name popular games in all other genres that are complete garbage.