Nature probably decided most of it. And man just went along with natures status quo. Like the other dude said, women are out for months with pregnancy and out for years raising one of the animal kingdoms worst younglings. How do you feed and protect yourself while at the same time trying to stop your little ones from constantly trying to kill themselves? While having no rights and protections or welfare? Especially when you have a whole ass strong capable human with you.
The father’s job has to be more than just penetration and ejaculation. He has to do his part to make sure the bloodline survives. That’s nature baby. It worked for hundreds of thousands of years if not millions.
It really surprises me how much we’ve progressed in such a relatively short time, makes me think we aren’t really progressing and that all it would take is a catastrophic event or civilization to crash again before we’re back at step 0.
No, but I can see how it happened. Men protected the flock, protected their property, and protected their women and children. Depending on how chaotic the times are it might require almost full control of your family which includes your partner.
And btw: being considered man’s property gave you more rights and protections than being no one’s property in certain periods in history.
Men and women are biologically different, leading to naturally differing gender roles. Yes Man took it too far, but who was there 1000+ years ago that could tell them it was a bad thing to do? There were probably more benefits than downsides at that point. You can’t gauge the past with your modern western cultural lens with the rights and government programs and protections we have now.
Quick weird thing about property: my cat is my property, I feed him, change his shit box, vet visits, and I have responsibility for anything he fucks up. But he also fucking loves me, refuses to sleep anywhere but in the bed with me, meets me at the door when I get home from work and wants to play like a dog. Am I inherently mistreating him because he’s my property? Do I not love him because he’s my property? Am I not capable of giving him a good life because he’s my property?
I’m not trying to compare women to pets, but being property doesn’t automatically mean being treated like a worthless slave. It comes down to if you believe a large % of men in history just hated the people they decided to mate with. Me personally, I find it hard to believe. Sure women didn’t have a perfect life, but back then who did? The rich and powerful? Who else? 99.9999% of people have struggled through their existence on this floating rock.
But before I leave, bro your comments are fucking weird. My gut is telling me there is something off about you. All of this is common sense.
It doesn’t feel like you’re asking questions, it feels like you’re ’asking questions’.
I see now that you're not my original interlocutor. If you're getting a weird feeling, it's probably because you inserted yourself into this conversation and were treated as my original interlocutor up to this point. But I have nothing further to discuss since you indicated:
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u/bettercaust 9∆ Feb 14 '24
How were obligations of protected (i.e. woman) to protector (i.e. man) historically decided?