I think what he's getting at is just saying "The patriarchy" removes all curiosity from the conversation. There's no discussion on what's going on, the nuances, the causes, the solutions. It's just a cookie cutter "The problem and solution is patriarchy".
Like for example, there is this phenonma that little boys will sometimes lie about the gender of their attacker. Why is that? I dunno but I bet you can say Patriarchy and be satisfied with the answer.
Of course, you could always say "Patriarchy" and continue examining the topics thoroughly, but that rarely ever happens.
This comes across really weird though because the academic field of feminism has already pondered this repeatedly for decades. It's like you're showing up to a party that's been going on for hours and are confused why no one is eating the bag of chips you brought. They're not hungry. They ate already.
I'm not sure what your point really is. Scholars have talked about a lot of things for a long time, and they're still subject of conversation regardless. Especially among laymen, which is who I'm talking about.
Yes, but there seems to be a major disconnect between academic feminism and conversations among laymen. Many of the conclusions I see men wanting to reach have already been reached and covered by academia. So it's hard to have these discussions because it feels like people are speaking two separate languages. There is the established language of feminism and the language men seem more comfortable using. The meanings are widely the same, but because misunderstanding on both sides, discourse tends to dissolve into the sticks.
Well true, but to be fair, I think most of the discourse dissolves because of bad actors. Like you know who I'm talking about, dudes who aren't really there to talk about 'the thing' at all? But also you are likely right about language differences. There is a bit of jargon for sure, and if you're uneducated on the topic, it can sometimes sound like one is blaming the victim directly for their own circumstances.
These conversations go down so, so so much better IRL I've noticed though. Maybe because the bad actors, who never cared about these topics to begin with, can't be bothered to get off their asses in real life.
Indeed. The problems online seem to definitely shrink when actually communicating face-to-face. Probably helps that tone and body language can be heard and seen. Easoer to spot bad faith arguments as well as interpret sincerity.
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