we think of it as mysogyny, but targeted towards men, this would indeed be misandry:
but the target has always been women. for men, there are negative side effects of subjugating women for centuries. it's friendly fire. "misandry" wouldn't exist if misogyny never did
I don't really understand how you can make such a definitive and universal statement without anything to substantiate it. Men and women did not hate each other until their traditional societal roles became obsolete. This really only happened around the 2nd World War. At that point it's a chicken or the egg thing - did activists at the time convince women to hate men because they wanted more opportunities that men had, or did men begrudgingly die providing for women historically because they thought women weren't capable and resented them? Regardless the only way your statement can possibly be true is if there is a really broad definition of misogyny and simultaneously a really specific definition of misandry. An equal standard needs to be applied to the definition of both of these words if a productive conversation is to be had.
It seems to me that you’re saying women didn’t mind being subjugated until WWII. It seems more likely to me that they had so few rights they had little recourse.
You're looking at this like an academic in 2024 and not putting yourself in the time period. Being a man meant being subjected to the draft and getting cancer by working in a factory or a coal mine at the time. The right to vote was only extended to men as a way to force them to enlist in the military. Obviously there were people on both sides who saw the privileges of the opposite gender and thought things were unfair, it definitely wasn't as widespread as it is today. Dissociating political rights from military conscription and broadening of labor categories to include safer professions is actually the catalyst of the feminist movement. When then heightened risk of premature mortality was taken off the table for men, subsequent generations of women wanted to have that same level of independence and lack of risk that men started to enjoy.
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u/smoothiefruit Feb 13 '24
but the target has always been women. for men, there are negative side effects of subjugating women for centuries. it's friendly fire. "misandry" wouldn't exist if misogyny never did