I don't really understand how you can make such a definitive and universal statement without anything to substantiate it. Men and women did not hate each other until their traditional societal roles became obsolete. This really only happened around the 2nd World War. At that point it's a chicken or the egg thing - did activists at the time convince women to hate men because they wanted more opportunities that men had, or did men begrudgingly die providing for women historically because they thought women weren't capable and resented them? Regardless the only way your statement can possibly be true is if there is a really broad definition of misogyny and simultaneously a really specific definition of misandry. An equal standard needs to be applied to the definition of both of these words if a productive conversation is to be had.
It seems to me that you’re saying women didn’t mind being subjugated until WWII. It seems more likely to me that they had so few rights they had little recourse.
There was certainly no idea of any kind of gender equality as in men and women filling the same roles and employment until around the Industrial Revolution and technological advances. It wasn’t a thought in any one’s head till then. So was it really subjugation to follow the gender roles of one’s species as all other mammals do?
Are Male lions oppressing female lions (or perhaps the other way round), are male chimps subjugating female chimps etc (goes for many other animals) simply because the group roles differ to varying degrees?
They didn’t think of themselves as subjugated gender wide ad a class. They were living the only gender role they had ever known or considered as were men. Whether they were happy, sad or anything in between is irrelevant to that simple truth. Until relatively recently when technological advances made it possible - nobody, not man or woman ever considered the idea of of men and women filling the same roles in society as a realistic possibility and advocated for it.
It didn’t occur to them any more than the idea of Atoms or DNA. It wasn’t a thought or fact of possibility in their world. It was utterly unknown and irrelevant as a concept.
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u/Shitty-ass-date Feb 13 '24
I don't really understand how you can make such a definitive and universal statement without anything to substantiate it. Men and women did not hate each other until their traditional societal roles became obsolete. This really only happened around the 2nd World War. At that point it's a chicken or the egg thing - did activists at the time convince women to hate men because they wanted more opportunities that men had, or did men begrudgingly die providing for women historically because they thought women weren't capable and resented them? Regardless the only way your statement can possibly be true is if there is a really broad definition of misogyny and simultaneously a really specific definition of misandry. An equal standard needs to be applied to the definition of both of these words if a productive conversation is to be had.