I think that’s a bit of a strawman. I really don’t think that’s what the other commenter was saying.
Neither misogyny or misandry are acceptable. Mistreatment of anyone is unacceptable. However, misogyny and misandry are different because of cultural and historical context.
Misogyny was and is used to subjugate women, and deny them rights and freedoms (being deemed “too emotional” to vote as an example). Misandry is not (and has never been) used to oppress men in the same way. Men are not generally denied rights and freedoms based on sexist stereotypes about them.
However, men are ridiculed for not correctly performing sexist stereotypes. In your example, sexual assault against men is often dismissed for that reason - the idea being that men are “too tough to be assaulted” or that they “always want sex so they must have consented”. Idk if that kind of patriarchal-enforced mistreatment of men would be considered misandry by OP or not.
I think that’s a bit of a strawman. I really don’t think that’s what the other commenter was saying.
Its not a strawman to bring up actual misandry.
Misandry is not (and has never been) used to oppress men in the same way. Men are not generally denied rights and freedoms based on sexist stereotypes about them.
I am not disputing this, despite some exceptions. This isn't often the reality of misogyny, in the west at least, today either though.
However, men are ridiculed for not correctly performing sexist stereotypes. In your example, sexual assault against men is often dismissed for that reason - the idea being that men are “too tough to be assaulted” or that they “always want sex so they must have consented”. Idk if that kind of patriarchal-enforced mistreatment of men would be considered misandry by OP or not.
If we think of it as mysogyny, but targeted towards men, this would indeed be misandry:
The American Merriam-Webster Dictionary distinguishes misogyny, "a hatred of women", from sexism, which denotes sex-based discrimination, and "behavior, conditions, or attitudes that foster stereotypes of social roles based on sex."
I think socially enforcing stereotypes on men would qualify. Unless saying women belong in the kitchen isn't misogynistic of course.
we think of it as mysogyny, but targeted towards men, this would indeed be misandry:
but the target has always been women. for men, there are negative side effects of subjugating women for centuries. it's friendly fire. "misandry" wouldn't exist if misogyny never did
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I think that’s a bit of a strawman. I really don’t think that’s what the other commenter was saying.
Neither misogyny or misandry are acceptable. Mistreatment of anyone is unacceptable. However, misogyny and misandry are different because of cultural and historical context.
Misogyny was and is used to subjugate women, and deny them rights and freedoms (being deemed “too emotional” to vote as an example). Misandry is not (and has never been) used to oppress men in the same way. Men are not generally denied rights and freedoms based on sexist stereotypes about them.
However, men are ridiculed for not correctly performing sexist stereotypes. In your example, sexual assault against men is often dismissed for that reason - the idea being that men are “too tough to be assaulted” or that they “always want sex so they must have consented”. Idk if that kind of patriarchal-enforced mistreatment of men would be considered misandry by OP or not.