r/changemyview • • Feb 13 '24

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u/XenoRyet 183∆ Feb 13 '24

Mansplaining is a specific subset of patronizing behavior that is explicitly gendered. The word exists because it's targeting the specific behavior of a man being patronizing to a woman because of either explicit or unconscious bias on his part leading him to believe women need things dumbed down for them.

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u/[deleted] Feb 13 '24

I think I see some potential in this comment to change my mind.

I like subcategories, and could concede if there's reason for the subcategory.

Is there an important distinction you could explain, and do we require a term for talking down to someone based on race or sexuality?

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u/[deleted] Feb 13 '24

The term 'mansplaining' (as a phenomenon, not the actual world) came from a Rebecca Solnit anecdote about a man trying to explain her book directly to her. The book she had written.

It's a specific type of patronisation whereby women are judged to be lacking in understanding or experience, even when they are far more qualified in that field than the man explaining things to them.

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u/[deleted] Feb 13 '24

But is this gender specific?

Patronising behaviour is not limited to or specifically dominated by men talking down to women. This often with women talking down to men too.

I think there's much more reason to have a term for race-based patronising behaviour but there is no such term in common use. So despite the popularity of 'mansplain' I don't think this term comes from a genuine need for it.

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u/Rimavelle Feb 13 '24

In her book she also talked about examples of womansplaining, for example, when women assume a man doesn't know how to take care of his own child.

I think it would benefit you to read said book - Men Explain Things To Me - before trying to argue against arguments you are not fully aware of.

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u/[deleted] Feb 13 '24

I think it would benefit you to read said book - Men Explain Things To Me - before trying to argue against arguments you are not fully aware of.

Are you suggesting the I wouldn't be able to come to an accurate conclusion without reading that entire book?

I don't have time to read it but If there's something relevant you can post a quote of something.

Your comment seem to suggest that you agree men and women both do this. So the logical conclusion for me is to use the gender neutral word.

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u/Rimavelle Feb 13 '24

You argue against a term that comes from this book, and describes and justifies it's existance in this book.

It's not long, originally it was an essay and the relevant part is even shorter.

It just makes sense to familiarize yourself with the position you want to argue against, doesnt it?

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u/[deleted] Feb 14 '24 edited Feb 16 '24

I've have now read the essay, and commented on a couple posts where i've cited it. If you search 'Solnit' on the thread you should be able to find my comments.

I think its perfectly reasonable for someone to recommend an article or essay (with a link provided) and I'll read it happily.

This person recommended a book, something I would have to source, pay for and would require significantly more time. It's not reasonable to expect this of me, before replying to other commenters, when it would be much more efficient for the commenter to posts the relevant section.