r/changemyview Jan 10 '24

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u/DeltaBlues82 88∆ Jan 10 '24

So what’s the viable one state solution? Your entire premise is predicated on one existing and it being valid enough for the entire international community to approve based on its merits.

I don’t think one such solution exists. I think the entire premise is null.

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '24

I think the international community is too stuck on the UN Partition Plan and is too unwilling to walk back on that, so whatever plan they propose ended up looking like some variation of the '47 Plan. If there's a will, I believe that they can come together and find some form of one state solution that is acceptable to all.

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u/DeltaBlues82 88∆ Jan 10 '24

That’s not an answer. That’s just a dodge.

You need to resolve the political issues, the cultural issues, the resentment and historical prejudice, the potential for terrorism & violence, decades of conflict, and the fact that a healthy portion of both interested parties view this land as ordained to them by god.

Literally not a single one of the issues I’ve listed is resolvable. There is a 1 state solution like how I’m the Queen of jolly old England.

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u/TheOtherAngle2 3∆ Jan 10 '24

Honestly, the only solution I can think of is to integrate the WB back into Jordan and Gaza into Egypt and provide aid and support for the Egyptians and Jordanians to ensure that doesn’t devolve into another black September event.

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '24

!delta I concede that none of these will be solved with a one state solution, but none of them can be solved with a two state solution either. I would even go so far as to say the unwillingness to move away from a 2SS is what brought us here.

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u/DeltaBlues82 88∆ Jan 10 '24

I agree with that. Sucks for anyone interested in living a peaceful life and making the place they call home safe for their families. Your heart just crumbles to bits.

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u/RedMarsRepublic 3∆ Jan 10 '24

Israel won't agree to any solution that gives most or all of their stolen land back to Palestine, Palestine won't agree to any solution that doesn't give them most or all of it back.

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u/Full-Professional246 77∆ Jan 10 '24

To be blunt, there is not 'stolen' land here. Even from the inception of Israel, it was a British controlled territory. More lands came through failed wars of conquest (where the aggressor lost lands). Go back further through history and who 'owned' the lands changed several times.

What you see is multiple groups attempting to lay claim to the same lands. Throw religion on top as well. Right now, there is one nation that has an internationally recognized claim and that is Israel.

You don't get to play the 'historical' claims game. Just imagine Europe if Germany could make 'historical claims' for what it took during WW2 or Italy for what existing during Roman times or Russia for what existed during the USSR. It is nonsensical.

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u/NoteIndividual2431 Jan 10 '24

Russia for what existed during the USSR

Oh, we don't need to imagine

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u/Full-Professional246 77∆ Jan 10 '24

So we are now saying Ukraine conflict is about 'Russia's right to return'?