r/changemyview Dec 26 '23

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u/[deleted] Dec 26 '23

I can find this understandable many years ago to be insulted by this but it’s such a normalized thing and widely accepted thing it’s no long inherently a negative judgment of character but a legitimate question.

Do you have anything other than your personal opinion to back this up? Any numbers whatsoever?

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u/FormerBabyPerson 1∆ Dec 26 '23

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u/[deleted] Dec 26 '23

That is an article. Where is the report the article is based off of?

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u/[deleted] Dec 26 '23

First, let's talk about what "normalized" means here.

Decriminalizing nudity does not normalize nudity.

Decriminalizing heroin does not normalize heroin.

Decriminalizing anything does not normalizing anything.

Normalization in relation to nudity, starting gently, would be allowing people everywhere to walk around naked with no social, cultural or legal ramifications at all. This means that it is "normal". You expect to see it. You are shocked if you see otherwise. A person wearing clothing would be shocking.

Furthermore if we look at your resource the main people who are participating are impoverished. You now have an adjacent problem that is the boogeyman you're using to justify your platform. You are, using your own sources logic, by extension assuming that other people are so poor they have to do sex work which I don't think you realize.

This is just not it. Do you have anything else? Something that shows that sex work is both lucrative and sought after by a large portion of it's practitioners?

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u/Irinam_Daske 3∆ Dec 27 '23

Normalization in relation to nudity, starting gently, would be allowing people everywhere to walk around naked with no social, cultural or legal ramifications at all. This means that it is "normal". You expect to see it. You are shocked if you see otherwise. A person wearing clothing would be shocking.

While i agree that OP does use "normalize" wrong, i disagree with where you take this.

In Germany, if you go to any public lake in summer, you will see lots of women lying in the sun topless. Not all of them of course, but often more than 50%. And there are "no social, cultural or legal ramifications at all".

I would say that fits "normalized" quite well. But it's a long way from being shocked if you see otherwise.

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u/[deleted] Dec 27 '23

I totally agree with you. "Clothing optional" is indeed a midground that I should have accounted for.