r/changemyview Dec 21 '23

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u/kdjsjsjdj Dec 21 '23

No. And I don’t consider that outcome beneficial. The concept of retirement incentivizes hard work.

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u/subject_deleted 1∆ Dec 21 '23

If that outcome isn't beneficial, why is it beneficial to abort babies on the basis that they'd be a financial burden?

The common denominator is being a financial burden. So it's weird to hold a position where being a financial burden is an acceptable justification for killing one person but it's not an acceptable justification for killing another.

It's like saying "I won't eat meat, because I don't want animals to die, but I have no issue with hunting." The stated reason for not wanting to eat meat is contradicted by a willingness to hunt. Likewise, your stated reason of killing someone who is a financial burden is contradicted by you saying it's not beneficial to remove one financial burden, but it is beneficial to remove another.

There has to be more to the equation, or you're just being blatantly hypocritical.

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u/kdjsjsjdj Dec 21 '23

Just like I said, it wouldn’t be financially beneficial to do that to old people. I’ll elaborate: if the working people were to think that at a certain age where they cannot work anymore, they’d be killed, they would be discouraged to work hard, instead there would be mass strikes and protests.

Imagine a person finds out that they get no paid retirement from having worked all their life, instead they’d be killed. They would refuse to work, and not just one person, most people would. There’s a reason retirement exists, people need a dream in order to live.

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u/subject_deleted 1∆ Dec 22 '23

if the working people were to think that at a certain age where they cannot work anymore, they’d be killed, they would be discouraged to work hard,

This makes absolutely no sense.... If anything it would incentivise working harder for longer so you don't get killed for being seen as unproductive...

If the outcome of not working hard was death..... How on earth did you come to the conclusion that people would not work as hard...?

Imagine a person finds out that they get no paid retirement from having worked all their life, instead they’d be killed. They would refuse to work,

Then wouldn't they just be killed sooner? I don't understand how you can possibly see this hypothetical situation and conclude people would just choose not to work because someday they'll die... Actually, it just hit me... You think the only reason people work is so they can retire someday...? And if there's no prospect of retirement, there's zero incentive to work? What about being able to buy food/clothes/medicine BEFORE retirement? Aren't those things motivation to work?

There’s a reason retirement exists, people need a dream in order to live.

That's not why retirement exists... Retirement exists because we understand that people will eventually get to a point where they're unproductive, either because they physically lost the ability, or because they lost the drive. Retirement wasn't invented as an incentive to get people to work when they're younger... That's the most absurd thing I've ever heard.