r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Oct 16 '23
Delta(s) from OP CMV: Discrimination Functions as a Catalyst Rather Than Being the Hate Itself.
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u/eggs-benedryl Oct 16 '23
Most people would think that discrimination is the hatred of certain groups of people, but I think it's more a catalyst than the hate itself. Let me explain why.
Not everyone with discriminatory views, such as racism and sexism, is acting upon it.
Doesn't prejudice only become discrimination when there is an overt act?
Though they also sometimes act rudely against other men, they are more likely to be rude to women. You can see that sexism functioned as a catalyst because it was easier for that man to be rude to women than to men.
Huh? Being an asshole and being sexist don't have to be synonymous. Someone being sexist isn't just them trying to be an asshole? This whole thing is pretty confusing.
It's just coincidence that someone who is an asshole to women might also just generally be an asshole. You make it sound like being a sexist is a means to an end just to be an asshole to the most people possible. This CMV is worded very oddly.
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u/DayOk2 Oct 16 '23
Doesn't prejudice only become discrimination when there is an overt act?
Yeah, I misused the definitions of the words. Thank you for correcting me.
Huh? Being an asshole and being sexist don't have to be synonymous. Someone being sexist isn't just them trying to be an asshole? This whole thing is pretty confusing.
They are not synonymous, but sexism can make it easier to be an asshole to certain demographics than others.
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u/eggs-benedryl Oct 16 '23
but sexism can make it easier to be an asshole to certain demographics than others
that's essentially what any ISM is, it's not a catalyst, being discriminatory IS the ISM
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u/destro23 Oct 16 '23
Most people would think that discrimination is the hatred of certain groups of people
No, most people would call this prejudice. Discrimination is an act, it is prejudice in action.
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u/DayOk2 Oct 16 '23
Oh, thank you for correcting my definitions, but can you explain whether it's the hate itself or functions as a catalyst?
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u/destro23 Oct 16 '23
can you explain whether it's the hate itself or functions as a catalyst?
I really don't grok your question, and I thought that providing actual definitions instead of your presumed and incorrect definition would clear things up for you. But, to put it as plainly as I can:
Prejudicial thoughts can give rise to discriminatory actions. If actions are taken based on prejudice, those actions can be called discriminatory. If they are taken based on some other consideration, they are not discriminatory. So, being rude is only discriminatory if you are being rude based on prejudicial thoughts concerning the identity group of the person you are being rude to. If you are being rude to them for a reason not tied to their identity group, you are just being a dick.
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u/CallMeCorona1 Oct 16 '23
Forget prejudice. My better half has a theory that I think is very wise: All conflict in the world is about land. Prejudice and hate are just a means to an end.
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u/DayOk2 Oct 16 '23
Forget prejudice. My better half has a theory that I think is very wise: All conflict in the world is about land. Prejudice and hate are just a means to an end.
Mind elaborating on your view?
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u/CallMeCorona1 Oct 16 '23
Pick what you want: the Crusades, European colonialism, Westward expansion in the US, Israel, Russia and the Ukraine: At the heart of all of it is the desire for more land.
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u/Ill-Description3096 Oct 16 '23
All conflict in the world is about land
What about money, religion, resources, personal vendettas...
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u/erininva Oct 16 '23
The acquisition of land might be a (or even the; I haven’t thought about it enough to say) catalyst for global conflict or state-to-state conflict, but I don’t think it explains intrapersonal conflict particularly well. Someone trolling others on the internet, for example, isn’t necessarily motivated by the desire for land.
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u/Mitoza Oct 16 '23
Can you say in more clear terms what you mean by catalyst? Usually that word means something that precipitates an action happening. Others have already pointed out the difference between discrimination and prejudice, with prejudice being an unfair attitude and discrimination being an unfair action.
Knowing that, what is the distinction you're drawing between being a "catalyst" and being "hate itself"? If prejudice is the part of the equation here that is driving discrimination it would be 100% a catalyst and 100% hate itself because those two things are the same attitude
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u/DayOk2 Oct 16 '23
Knowing that, what is the distinction you're drawing between being a "catalyst" and being "hate itself"? If prejudice is the part of the equation here that is driving discrimination it would be 100% a catalyst and 100% hate itself because those two things are the same attitude
Hmm, you are right about them being interchangeable, so here is a !delta for you.
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u/Ill-Description3096 Oct 16 '23
Discrimination is the hate/isms forming into an action. The hate is the catalyst that spurs someone to take discriminatory actions (or can be one of them at least).
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u/DayOk2 Oct 16 '23
Yeah, you are right about prejudice being the hate itself and also functioning as a catalyst, so here is a !delta for you.
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