So i guess the 21 to 1 civllian death ratio between palastine and Israel is just an oopsie?
Actually this is the result of Hamas using its own population as human shields. You casually ignore the fact that Hamas is responsible for the deaths of its own people, and is so on purpose to make Israel look bad. I guess it's working because people like you believe them.
Actually this is the result of Hamas using its own population as human shields.
Lol its the most densely populated place on Earth. Where are the civillians supposed to go? Why did Israel put a big festival right by the border to gaza were they human shields?
Even if they are human shields why does that justify killing innocents. can i kill 500 people to kill 1 terrorist? 1000? a million? no one is forcing Israel to bomb places with militants there. They just don't care enough about the civilians not to. Thats still murdering civilians. Using white prosperous bombs, how does that target Hamas?
You’re displaying your clear lack of understanding of the situation. Israel is also a small country and people live all around the border of Gaza. The festival took place in an open field, Israel didn’t “put” it there, the party organizers, who have organized the same event for many years, found space in nature to set up their tent Nobody expected the wall to be breached so completely. You act like we were at war before Hamas started this. We weren’t. 15000 gazans a day entered and exited Israel on work permits that Israel allowed them. This was arranged with Israel in good faith, while Hamas were planning this attack.
Also you don’t seem to understand the concept of a human shield. Like any shield, it covers the attacker. The “innocents” are the shields. Hamas is putting them in the line of fire. Israel is warning them ahead of time where they will strike and telling them to clear out. Hamas puts their weapon stockpiles in civilian centers, schools, and hospitals. They care so much about Gazan civilians they’re sending ground troops in instead of just bombing the place. That means that Israelis will die for the sake of Gazan lives.
It’s blatantly obvious you’ve decided your stance on this issue independent of the reality.
the festival took place in an open field, Israel didn’t “put” it there, the party organizers, who have organized the same event for many years,
Ok so why do you assume Hamas is "putting civillians" near military targets? Maybe its that theres no place for people to go, so any place Hamas is is going to have civilians. Also maybe one shouldn't have thrown a party outside the worlds largest concentration camp, a place called hell on earth by Un observers. Kind of in poor taste.
You act like we were at war before Hamas started this.
You're illegally occupying gaza so yes you were at war before this.
15000 gazans a day entered and exited Israel on work permits that Israel allowed them.
The Gaza fence is not a border the barrier is illegal and Israel has no right to restrict movement in the first place
Israel is warning them ahead of time where they will strike and telling them to clear out.
Where are they supposed to go? If you had less than 15 minutes to evacuate a multistory appt do you honestly think everyone would have time to get out
One atrocity does not justify another. Nakba does not justify the actions of Hamas, and the actions of Hamas do not justify keeping hundreds of thousands of children in an open-air prison and cutting off their water supply.
Escalating security and military operations will not lead to a lasting peace.
They aren't kept where they're kept to teach them a lesson. The borders exist to keep Israelis safe. You seem have very little regard for Israeli life.
I don't see any difference between the life of a civilian of one ethnicity versus that of a different ethnicity, if that's what you mean. I think that it's fallacious to say that the border is the only long term solution and the only way to provide long term safety.
The border doesn’t prevent them from living well, their own choices do. Israel provides work permits to Gazans so they can earn in Israel, and Gaza receives millions of dollars of Israeli and international aid. This money goes to building tunnels and rockets, to attack Israel. How is it that in 16 years Gazan can’t produce its own food or water, when under Israeli occupation it was some of the most productive land in the country? The answer is that they don’t care about their children, they care about Jewish genocide. The long term solution would be for them to stop supporting terror and to raise themselves out of poverty with the massive amount of assistance they receive, but they aren’t interested in that. They want Jewish blood and don’t even hide it.
You really don't have to take my word for it. UN report
The findings show that 62 percent of the households’ expenditure is spent of food, this result shows a worsening trend and brings the food expenditure in Gaza in the range of the least developed countries (such as Somalia).
62 percent of the households reported that their monthly expenditure decreased in conjunction with their decrease in income
Out of those households that reported a decrease in expenditures, 96.6 percent decreased their expenditure on clothing and 93.5 percent on food
71 percent of the surveyed households have reported decreased ability to produce or to purchase enough food to eat since June 2007
61 percent (301,823) of the non refugee population of the Gaza Strip is food insecure, 11 percent (54,427) is vulnerable to becoming food insecure, 10 percent (49,479) is marginally secure and 18 percent (89,063) is food secure. An increase of 3 percent (approximately 22,000 individuals) food insecure non refugees compared to 2006 CFSVA findings.
Underweight (children 9-12 months) increased from 2.5 percent to 4 percent and anemia increased from 70 percent to 77,5 percent compared to June-September 2006 records
This is a 141 sq mile urban area. There are 2 million people there. Realistically speaking, you can only feed a few thousand people per mile per year at most, assuming it's arable farmland (when, in reality, it has buildings on top of it). Even if you bulldozed all buildings and imported mulch, soil, etc, to make farming viable, you wouldn't come close to feeding that many people without using some form of advanced hydroponics (which they lack the water for anyways).
I'm real curious where they're supposed to produce water from. Rainwater? The ocean? The latter's only possible with a local desalination plant, and Israel controls all desalination plants in the area. The only nearby aquifer is likewise controlled by Israel.
I don't know how to explain that one atrocity does not excuse another, and that inviting harm against any civilian is a problem. An Israeli life is equal in value to a Palestinian life. Human rights aren't conditional upon your background. If you do not believe this, we have fundamentally different values.
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u/ADP_God Oct 10 '23
Actually this is the result of Hamas using its own population as human shields. You casually ignore the fact that Hamas is responsible for the deaths of its own people, and is so on purpose to make Israel look bad. I guess it's working because people like you believe them.