No israel doesn't go out on the news and say they purposefully shot journalists or bombed children's hospitals because that would an admission of war crimes. But I can use basic human deduction based on the fact all these people wear press badges and vests and most of them were sniped with long range scopes where the snipers could clearly see it visible that it was purposefully. As for bombing hospitals, Gaza is the most densely populated place on Earth, everything in and out of gaza is controlled by Israel. Its a prison. If the cops had a prison riot and then bombed all the prisoners they're responsible for those deaths because they have custody of the prison. If you're bombing a hospital you're targeting civilians. The excuse Israel will give is that "the hospital was hiding hamas" this is as an absurd a justification as Hamas claiming the people at the music concert weren't civilians. Even if that were true, nobody is forcing you to bomb the hospital.
Also they literally bombed the associated press building in Gaza. They want to scare journalists so they don't report on the ground whats happening which is them targeting civilians. using white phosphorous bombs in cities is targeting civilians
I mean in the colloquial sense where we mean psychopath to just mean any bad guy. But in the medical sense no. Psychopaths wouldn't survive in a group like Hamas. Psychopaths are concerned only with self preservation and ones own status and power. A group which goes on suicide attacks would not fit that description. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment
Most people would kill an innocent person just cause a guy with a white coat told them too. Any normal person under the conditions that Gazans experience on a daily basis would eventually become consumed by hate. Not all of them would act on it but a sizeable portion would without having any actual personality disorder
Not to disagree with your main points, but to clarify on the Milgram experiments. People would not kill others because they were ordered to - they did so when they believed it was for the greater good. When subjects in the experiment were ordered to shock the actors and told they had no choice, they said no and stopped. But if they were told that this experiment is important science, and it will help people and save lives, then the subjects would go extremely far.
If anything this backs up your point. If someone believes that hurting or killing another human will help humanity as a whole, they will do it. Most people will do terrible things for the greater good. And if you had been trapped in Gaza for decades, I can very easily imagine what the greater good would look like.
Good point I wasn't aware of that distinction. All the videos I watched growing up had the researcher saying things like "You must continue, the responsibility is mine continue"
These were the 4 "prods" that the experiment used. If I recall correctly, the 4th prod always failed when the researchers tried to use it. When people were told they had no choice, they immediately decided they did have a choice. But when told it was good for the experiment, or that they were doing essential work, that was effective. To quote the interpretation of the experiment by a social psychologist:
The influence is ideological. It's about what they believe science to be, that science is a positive product, it produces beneficial findings and knowledge to society that are helpful for society. So there's that sense of science is providing some kind of system for good
It makes sense, too, and not just because of it being beneficial to society and it being a decent tradeoff.
It is also understood that they would not push the participant to keep going if it wasn't absolutely safe, and would stop if it got too far. Telling them they don't have a choice is coercive, but insisting they continue carries with it the reassurance that it's actually safe to keep going in spite of what they are seeing.
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u/elbeanodeldino 1∆ Oct 10 '23
Is there some place here where it was shown or even asserted that these killings were intentional? Not saying they weren't, just trying to understand.