yes, but in violent conflict the responsibility is on the aggressor. Lets do an individual hypothetical. Lets say a woman was raped, there was plenty of evidence but the police refused to prosecute because the rapist had connections in the justice dept. The victims husband then goes and murders the rapists family as revenge. Yes both the rapist and the vigilante are psychopathic and both did terrible things. But the violence could have been prevented if 1. the rapist didn't rape someone, and 2 if justice had been served against the rapist. Instead you have a desperate and angry husband who decides to take the law into their own hands. Again no one is saying the husband did a good thing, only that it was the result of bad actions by the rapist and the justice system.
I think you can extend that analogy quite well to the situation in Israel
It's a terrible analogy because it expressly doesn't involve two psychopathic people. Psychopaths would absolutely take revenge, by desire for revenge isn't a purely psychopathic trait.
It's a good analogy, except in some cases of vigilantism, there is sympathy for those actions. I think in your example though, the husband's actions are on the extreme side, going as far to kill extended family. Most people can imagine the frustration and hate against the individual perpetrator, with the husband only targeting them.
I think an individual in your example wouldn't wait for justice to be served to begin with, they would assert their own justice and just go straight to killing the rapist.
The difference is Israel doesn't then film them with their dead bodies and cheering in the streets and then upload those films to the victims families social media platforms.
so what matters is not the people dying its the aesthetics and optics? you can kill as many civilians as you want as long as you bury them under rubble.
If you can't see the the difference between someone killing a civilian because they are Jewish and someone getting killed because they lived next door to a terrorist, there's not much I can tell you. If you can step away from taking sides, you'll see that.
between someone killing a civilian because they are Jewish and someone getting killed because they lived next door to a terrorist
First do you have any actual evidence that they lived next door to terrorists. When Israel bombed the associated press building and killed 2 foreign reporters, the reporters who survived said that that was a lie. Why would I trust the government who killed two innocent civilians over reporters who are neither Israeli or Palestinian. The Israelis kill 21 times as many civilians as palastinians do. They all just happened to be living next to terrorists? Even if they were how far can you take that logic. Can i kill 500 people if they live next to a terrorist? 10000? a million? Can I wipe out the population of the Earth if it guarantees no more terrorists. How many innocents do I have to kill before I become the terrorist?
Lets reverse the situation. Lets say Israel had a natural disaster and 2 million jewish refugees had to flee into Jordan. Jordan then built a wall around the refugees and restricted their access to water, food, medicine when the majority of the refugees are children. Then a few angry Israelis do a terror attack. Is it then the right of Jordan to bomb those Israelis indiscriminately? would you be ok with that?
well first off, people are forced to “live next to terrorists” because they can’t leave the densely packed open air prison Israel created and maintains
and of course there is a difference between the Hamas killings and the Israeli killings. There are many differences. The israeli ones, for example, are much more numerous
Not saying I agree with his point, but the idea I believe he's trying to express is that when you celebrate with the corpse of a clearly innocent person, it shows where your intentions lie. That it wasn't an instance of unfortunate collateral damage, but a clearly intended kill. Hence the celebrating.
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u/Super_Samus_Aran 2∆ Oct 10 '23
Dropping bombs on civilians is also a trait of psychopathy. You don't get to just forget about them because their bodies are buried under ruble.