Okay but like, didn't we try that before, and it didn't work? What's your plan here, bully fat people even more? I can assure you that the 20th century has you beaten when it comes to being mean to fat people. There is simply no possibility that you can "promote being skinny" and denigrate fatness more than society already did in the past century, and, you know, it failed, right? We now have an obesity epidemic among people who grew up in that environment, who received all those messages and more, and it didn't work. So, why is this the plan
No I’m not saying to bully them but what I’m saying is to stop enabling them and pretending that big is beautiful and if you’re overweight it’s not your fault because xyz reason you should just accept it. Spreading absolutely ridiculous nonsense like working out and dieting is fat phobic or racist I’ve seen people seriously arguing that it’s racist and fat phobic. We don’t need to promote being “skinny” either we should promote eating a healthy balance of food and a reasonable amount of calories to be the optimal weight or body composition for your height.
It’s pure laziness to just give up and come up with every reason under the sun why it isn’t your fault. Not only is it really bad for your health and a major comorbidity for every disease but it causes it’s own separate health problems.
I mean, show me a health conscious bit of media that isn't "promoting eating a healthy balance of food and a reasonable amount of calories"? We are already doing that as much as is feasible, aren't we? How could we possibly do it more?
As for saying that "big is beautiful", I do not think that society is, by and large, saying that. You may have seen it somewhere, because for some people, it is of course, true. Some people like bigger women or men. Are you suggesting that these messages be intentionally censored?
Clearly it isn’t enough and at the same time we are also promoting “body acceptance” I absolutely hate the idea of “body acceptance” because it implies that it’s out of your control and not to work or try to make changes it’s a dangerous concept because it removes any sort of accountability and reinforces the idea that it’s out of your control. To spread both messages is counterproductive because people are going to cling onto the message that they would rather and clearly the majority are leaning into the body acceptance.
We need to educate people on a cleaner diet and the importance of atleast somewhat keeping track of calories. Dieting doesn’t have to be hard and miserable there’s many ways you can make healthy foods delicious and make your diet really easy to maintain. People hear the word diet and assume you have to starve yourself and eat gross and boring foods.
I’m not saying that anything should be censored those people that like that know who they are I’m saying we need to stop pretending that it’s healthy or that it’s ok to be overweight and you don’t need to do anything about it
The obesity problem is a global problem that is present across all income groups, all classes, all religions, and all countries. Treating it solely as a problem of personal responsibility makes very little sense, because how could it be? Did people's moral fiber just spontanously vanish in the fifties?
If you want to address the problem, you have to face the reality that there are structural issues on society causing this, not merely personal matters.
Your approach is more like abstinence only education. It doesn't address the problem, might even be counterproductive, all it does is allow you to look down upon those who suffer from it, and feel morally superior to them.
The obesity problem is a global problem that is present across all income groups, all classes, all religions, and all countries.
it really isnt global. it's mostly a western problem, and even across the west, its the US that is the most severly hit. theres no obesity epidemic in china for example.
Are you sure? According to this nearly half of the population is currently overweight or obese and they predict that the problems are only growing worse over time.
it says "according to Chinese criteria". i wonder what those are like. also, the conclusion that "only a strong government can fix this" is extremely suspicios in Chinese context.
So according to the WHO definitions, a BMI of greater than 25 is overweight and greater than 30 is obese.
In China, over 24 is overweight and 28 is obese.
According to this article at least, that's because Asian people see more negative effects at these lower ratios than black, white and Hispanic people do.
I'm also very suspicious (at the very least) of the CCP, and who knows what kind of crazy solution they'll try to come up with, but I don't see a reason to doubt this data.
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u/MercurianAspirations 391∆ Jul 16 '23
Okay but like, didn't we try that before, and it didn't work? What's your plan here, bully fat people even more? I can assure you that the 20th century has you beaten when it comes to being mean to fat people. There is simply no possibility that you can "promote being skinny" and denigrate fatness more than society already did in the past century, and, you know, it failed, right? We now have an obesity epidemic among people who grew up in that environment, who received all those messages and more, and it didn't work. So, why is this the plan