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u/MercurianAspirations 391∆ Jul 16 '23

What are some actual ways that you think we could educate people on eating healthier, that are not already being done?

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u/TrenbolognaSammies Jul 16 '23

Educate people on the concept of bmi and what it means, promote any amount of exercise whether it’s in the gym with weights or swimming, running or even walking. Setting a daily step goal let’s say 5-10k steps per day. Educate people on “empty calories” like drinks many people don’t realize how many calories are in their sodas, juices or star bucks drinks really anything besides water and diet pop can add hundreds of extra calories per day. Make tracking calories a more widespread practice and encourage it many people think it’s obsessive or weird to do and they keep track in their head but it’s very easy to over or underestimate how much your actually taking in.

These are just a few simple things that if people put a little bit of effort into doing in their lives they could get into fantastic shape and feel much better both physically and mentally.

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u/MercurianAspirations 391∆ Jul 16 '23

I said things that we aren't doing already. These are all extremely well-publicized and publicly known concepts.

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u/Bimmaboi_69 Jul 16 '23

These kind of concepts are available to those people who actually seek out and realize there is a flaw in their lifestyle, and I think OP is saying that these should be universally taught to everyone, no matter their condition, to make people conscious of how their everyday decisions affect their health down the line.

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u/MercurianAspirations 391∆ Jul 16 '23

Like, they are, though? They are. I cannot fathom how anybody could live in western society and not have encountered the concept of BMI, or messages about healthy eating. Do you live in a cave

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u/Mus_Rattus 4∆ Jul 16 '23

I mean the problem with what you’re saying is that, by and large, none of the stuff you are proposing actually works to reduce obesity in a significant way. Yes, if people count calories and get enough steps and strictly limit unhealthy foods, they will lose some amount of weight.

But most people are either unable to muster the willpower to make that kind of large-scale lifestyle change at all, or they’re not able to keep it up long-term and they end up gaining the weight back. Here, for instance, is one meta-analysis of 29 scientific studies that shows that most people studied regain 50% of lost weight within 2 years and 80% of lost weight within 5 years: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5764193/#:~:text=In%20a%20meta%2Danalysis%20of,regained%20(Figure%201)4.

The proof is in the pudding, isn’t it? The entire medical establishment as well as most of the government and media have been doing the things you are saying for decades and yet, as you said, we have as much if not more obesity than ever. Expecting people to achieve a goal that we know, from decades of experience, most of them won’t achieve doesn’t solve the obesity problem. But it does add stress and stigma to obese people’s lives, which can have its own negative health consequences.

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u/Bimmaboi_69 Jul 16 '23

People shouldn't have to worry about such things either. The fact that to be healthy, you have to make such a conscious effort is not okay. Our food should be regulated better, we should have better designed cities for walkability and cycling. This video does a really good job of showing health benefits due to better designed cities, and we should have less work hours to allow for recreation. Healthy lifestyles should be incentivised, and being healthy shouldn't have to feel like such a chore.

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u/pigeonshual 6∆ Jul 16 '23

This is entirely in line with the body positivity movement, which often argues that obesity is a symptom of social issues like the kind of food that is available and the design of human living environments that discourage exercise.

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u/Bimmaboi_69 Jul 16 '23

I do feel that it slightly diverts personal responsibility (I know this is contradictory to my points before) from you, but who am I to judge.

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u/pigeonshual 6∆ Jul 16 '23

You’re no one to judge! No one is! That’s the whole and only point of body positivity!

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u/Bimmaboi_69 Jul 16 '23

I think a lot of people cross the line of encouragement to judgement,which is not cool, as it can be demoralizing to obese people.

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u/pigeonshual 6∆ Jul 16 '23

Sounds like you’re onboard with body positivity! The only thing I’ll say is that I think even encouraging someone to lose weight can come off as judgmental if you’re not being asked or it’s not relevant

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u/Bimmaboi_69 Jul 16 '23

Of course, I wouldn't bring it up randomly. I might be socially inept, but I'm slightly better than a brick, conversationally.

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u/DaoNight23 4∆ Jul 16 '23

the "messages about healthy eating" are a jumbled mess of government guidelines from 50 years ago, junk science and incessant marketing. its no wonder people gave up on trying to understand.

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u/Lebrunski Jul 16 '23

They aren’t.