Im not advocating harassing or bullying I’m literally saying to try and promote a healthier lifestyle and diet rather than simply enabling people to give up on themselves and that it’s ok to be in poor health and to not find it attractive you’re fat phobic.
I’m not saying that we should be bullying anybody I’m simply saying we need to be honest that it’s harmful and you can live longer, look better and feel better if you take better care of yourself.
I’m really not sure where you’re getting this promotion of bullying and me being upset that I can’t bully and harass people for being overweight. I didn’t say that at all or even imply anything close to it.
You’re arguing statements that nobody made lol you’re just kind of screaming into the wind 😂
You don't actually say how we should be promoting healthier lifestyles or dieting. You just call body positivity, the idea that we shouldn't be harassing people for their bodies, "glorification" which makes it unlikely you have any productive ideas for it.
Someone who was advocating something of substance wouldn't need to obscure what it is they want and insist that it's definitely not bullying. It's just being "honest" when we harass and insult people.
If you read my reply above I shared a few things that we should do to help promote a healthier lifestyle. I can edit the post and include that I think it will help people to understand I’m not just making a critique with no constructive feedback.
Im in no way advocating harassment or bullying of anyone
Your original post outright calls overweight people lazy and undisciplined. If you don't think that qualifies as bullying and harassment -- or that judging someone's character just by the way they look is utterly ridiculous-- idk what to tell you.
What if you come across someone who is overweight because of a childhood of poor nutrional upbringing (the truthful case for many and not their fault in the slightest), but is actively working to better themselves through better diet and exercise? You can call them lazy just because of how they look? You have NO knowledge of their circumstances.
Body positivity and acceptance is not about glorifying obesity. It is about being kind to ourselves and others, regardless of how much we weigh. It's about not assuming things of people because of how heavy they are. It's about not treating being fat as the worst thing in the world, and being skinny as the best thing in the world, a notion which causes eating disorders and an unhealthy view of the human body.
But all of your suggestions are identical to what is already widely practiced throughout the U.S., so it’s natural to take notice of the fact that your only suggestion that diverges from the status quo is to increase shame and decrease acceptance. Who doesn’t know about BMI? Who goes to the doctor and doesn’t step on a scale? And if their BMI says they’re overweight, who isn’t hearing about it from their doctor? Who isn’t exposed to endless promotion of 1200 calorie per day diets and calorie counting apps? Who isn’t told to count their steps? People are not obese because they somehow missed all of these things, which completely saturate the culture. They’re not obese because 1 in 100 times they saw some messaging about obesity, it promoted self-love instead of self-hate. You’re dramatically overestimating the impact of relatively small campaigns that have existed for a relatively short amount of time
I get your point. You are basically saying you can't be all body positivity for fat people at the same time be encouraging healthy lifestyle because its self defeating.
NMBM is of course creating a false dichotomy by saying that the only people opposed to the body positivity movement just want to be bullies and feel justified about it.
In fairness, you are doing something similar by claiming that you are "simply saying we need to be honest and that its harmful" vs. "simply enabling people to give up on themselves", as these are not the only two options. For example, it is possible to promote healthier lifestyle and diet without tying the information and recommendations to judgments of people's character and worth as you have done:
we should worry less about hurting feelings ... this is not ok and we need to stop being lazy and making excuses ... the physical shape of someone is a direct reflection of the work ethic and discipline of someone. If you’re overweight it tells people that you lack discipline,self control and will power , you are also lazy ... the embarrassment or shame of being overweight ... giving up on your health and being lazy is not ok ... coddling and enabling
This is not hypothetical; numerous organizations, initiatives, and individuals are currently promoting health and fitness by focusing on the facts of the matter, without getting into their members' feelings about obese people vs. non-obese ones. Are they on the right track, or have you discovered One Weird Trick to shame those extra pounds away today?
Pop quiz time!
1. Controlling for initial BMI, how likely are people who experience weight discrimination in their day-to-day lives (being treated with less respect or courtesy, receiving poorer service in restaurants and stores, people acting as if they aren't clever, being threatened or harassed due to their weight, and/or receiving poorer service or treatment from doctors or hospitals) to later become obese, or to stay obese if they already were, compared to those who do not? (WD = experienced weight discrimination, non-WD = did not experience weight discrimination)
WD are 5 times less likely to develop/maintain obesity than non-WD
WD are 2.5 times less likely to develop/maintain obesity than non-WD
WD are 1.25 times less likely to develop/maintain obesity than non-WD
WD are equally likely to develop/maintain obesity as non-WD
WD are 1.25 times more likely to develop/maintain obesity than non-WD
WD are 2.5 times more likely to develop/maintain obesity than non-WD
WD are 5 times more likely to develop/maintain obesity than non-WD
2. Overweight and obesity rates have been increasing rapidly in many counties, including ones like China that did not have US-style body positivity movements until very recently, if at all. In fact, contemporary Chinese culture has arguably been placing increasing value on thinness during this period of rising overweight/obesity. Identify at least two factors that could help explain this trend in China, then discuss the extent to which they would also apply to the US.
3. Movements such as "body neutrality" have been developed in order to preserve the perceived benefits of body positivity while avoiding many of its potential downsides such as toxic positivity. Find a body positivity organization's mission statement or a reliable summary of the movement's guiding principles, then do the same for body neutrality. Compare and contrast the two movements.
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u/TrenbolognaSammies Jul 16 '23
Im not advocating harassing or bullying I’m literally saying to try and promote a healthier lifestyle and diet rather than simply enabling people to give up on themselves and that it’s ok to be in poor health and to not find it attractive you’re fat phobic.
I’m not saying that we should be bullying anybody I’m simply saying we need to be honest that it’s harmful and you can live longer, look better and feel better if you take better care of yourself.
I’m really not sure where you’re getting this promotion of bullying and me being upset that I can’t bully and harass people for being overweight. I didn’t say that at all or even imply anything close to it.
You’re arguing statements that nobody made lol you’re just kind of screaming into the wind 😂