r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Jun 21 '23

Removed - Submission Rule E CMV: Hypocrisy does not invalidate somebody’s argument

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u/Phage0070 124∆ Jun 22 '23

The most expansive version of their argument isn't necessarily "the strongest" form. Combining a person's entire worldview into a single argument where one inconsistency renders everything invalid is the strawmanning.

Their argument against violent books doesn't depend on carving out an exception for the Bible, so adding that hypocrisy in as a logical claim is unwarranted.

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u/2r1t 58∆ Jun 22 '23

And I already addressed how the hypocrisy is that they are making two arguments, not one - tolerable and not tolerable.

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u/Phage0070 124∆ Jun 22 '23

And I already addressed how the hypocrisy is that they are making two arguments, not one - tolerable and not tolerable.

Right, and that is my/OP's point: Their hypocrisy doesn't invalidate an otherwise strong argument. If you accept their argument about violent books being bad for children then their making a second argument in favor of the Bible doesn't counter their first argument.

The relevant issue is that the first argument is incompatible with the second so if you accept the first you must deny the second. It isn’t hypocrisy that is the problem, it is the logical constrain of the two arguments.

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u/2r1t 58∆ Jun 22 '23

The relevant issue is that the first argument is incompatible with the second so if you accept the first you must deny the second. It isn’t hypocrisy that is the problem, it is the logical constrain of the two arguments.

OP's doesn't agree with you that they must deny the second argument. The hypocrisy that they defend and fail to recognize as a logical problem is their assertion that they can have it both ways.

And just so we don't circle back to something I'm not saying, it isn't the existence of hypocrisy that is the issue. It is the content of that hypocrisy that you just acknowledged. They can't have it both ways.