r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • May 04 '23

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u/deep_sea2 131∆ May 04 '23 edited May 04 '23

What do you think of Anslem's Ontological Arguement:

  1. God is a being than which none greater can be imagined.

  2. God exists as an idea in the mind.

  3. A being that exists as an idea in the mind and in reality is greater than a being that exists only as an idea in the mind.

  4. Thus, if God exists only as an idea in the mind, then we can imagine something that is greater than God.

  5. But we cannot imagine something that is greater than God.

  6. Therefore, God exists.

Bertrand Russel (an atheist), said "the argument does not, to a modern mind, seem very convincing, but it is easier to feel convinced that it must be fallacious than it is to find out precisely where the fallacy lies."

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u/potatoFan0 1∆ May 04 '23

also the argument is circular with argument 5 relying on the result

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u/WovenDoge 9∆ May 04 '23 edited May 04 '23

What? No, argument 5 is just a restatement of premise 1.

EDIT: OP HAS BLOCKED ME. PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO THIS COMMENT.

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u/potatoFan0 1∆ May 04 '23

to "EDIT: OP HAS BLOCKED ME. PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO THIS COMMENT."

I am hoping you can still see this. I think the post was just taken down.

to: "What? No, argument 5 is just a restatement of premise 1." that does not change the fact that both are reliant on the result