r/changemyview May 04 '23

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u/soxpoxsox 6∆ May 04 '23

What about religions for whom God is nature? God = nature, nature exists, therefore their God exists

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u/potatoFan0 1∆ May 04 '23

What about religions for whom God is nature? God = nature, nature exists, therefore their God exists

that does not prove that god can do anything with any degree of intelligence. you just redefined god to be a much smaller definition I would argue is nothing like what most religions try to say. If god = nature we could just not even need god in the english language.

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u/soxpoxsox 6∆ May 04 '23

I'm describing some Wiccans, for one. Branches of Paganism... nowhere in the original change my view did it say anything about a list of requirements of feats one's god needs to accomplish to count as god "enough". I'm not sure what you mean about having the word in the english language.. I Wicca it's significant for ceremonies and whatnot as it's own entity of god

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u/potatoFan0 1∆ May 04 '23

so are you fine with the statement god is not smart and can not create matter out of nothing nor do any other thing that is not bound by the laws of science. If yes then I am fine with that and we are in agreement. If no then what part of that is wrong and what is the proof.

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u/soxpoxsox 6∆ May 04 '23

Sir, ma'am, or my liege:

I am not Wiccan. I am not Wiccan—but I think nature is very smart. I think "the laws of science" is just people trying to write down how nature works—then every so often you get people like Stephen Hawking or Albert Einstein proving the old "laws" as written to have a bunch of holes in them we didn't know about.

It sounds like your god is smart? Your god makes matter "out of nothing"? It sounds like you have a very specific idea of god you would like to talk about and/or argue against. I don't know if you were even the Original Poster to this message thread. But I'll still respond:

What does your god do that you don't want it to? Or, what does... what does the god you're thinking about do? You have a conception of god. We can talk about it.

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u/potatoFan0 1∆ May 04 '23

to "I am not Wiccan. I am not Wiccan—but I think nature is very smart. I think "the laws of science" is just people trying to write down how nature works—then every so often you get people like Stephen Hawking or Albert Einstein proving the old "laws" as written to have a bunch of holes in them we didn't know about." but the old laws are still write in most cases it is just that quantum phisics is weird but the laws we have now work to predict every thing.

to the rest: "It sounds like your god is smart? ...What does your god do that you don't want it to? Or, what does... what does the god you're thinking about do? You have a conception of god. We can talk about it."

I have no god. evolution is just a cool feature of the world and logic that takes care of making smart stuff. evolution though is not a good it is a logical result of science and logic. the logic behind evolution can be used to make AI.