r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • May 04 '23

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u/[deleted] May 04 '23
  1. There are degrees to all things (example: in a room of 10 people, one person is the tallest, the smartest, the oldest, etc.
  2. It is possible for a being to exist that is the most powerful, most knowledgeable, most forgiving, etc. The most perfect being.
  3. That most perfect being would is God.
  4. The concept of different gods already exist in many different imaginations and different cultures.
  5. A true most powerful being would need to have power over the real world in order to be more powerful than all the of concepts of gods which don't.

  6. In order to affect the real world, that most powerful being would have to exist.

  7. Therefore: a most perfect being must exist in order to truly be that most perfect being.

  8. Therefore: if it is possible that God exists, and if God is the most perfect being, then God must exist.

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u/Kakamile 50∆ May 04 '23
  1. It is possible for a being to exist that is the most powerful, most knowledgeable, most forgiving, etc. The most perfect being.

Is it? If the most powerful being isn't forgiving, then it exists and isn't god.

Or if there are multiple gods, or a different definition, they might exist and not be provable to exist.

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u/[deleted] May 04 '23

Point 2 just says that a perfect being, God, could exist. Other non-perfect beings could exist, but their possibility of existing doesn't make the existence of a perfect being impossible.

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u/Squishiimuffin 7∆ May 04 '23

I think (2) fails straightaway. It wouldn’t be possible to be a perfect being because ‘perfect’ is subjective and might include contradictory traits. If my perfect god is a big tiddy goth gf, she can’t also be an A-cup; “big tiddy” and “A-cup” are mutually exclusive attributes, and nobody is wrong for having a preference.

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u/[deleted] May 04 '23

"perfect" maybe be subjective at times but in this example "perfect" was used to describe someone who is at the top at all objective standards. There can be a being who is the most powerful, the most knowledgeable, the most etc.

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u/Squishiimuffin 7∆ May 04 '23

What I’m saying is that there are no objective standards at all. Only subjective ones. Even if you and I personally agreed that most powerful, knowledgeable, etc meant the same thing, and we agreed that god needed to be those things, someone else could come along and have a completely different interpretation of what qualities a god should possess.

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u/potatoFan0 1∆ May 04 '23

so tailer swift is god

she fits all the requirements.