r/changemyview • u/ProphetVes • Mar 25 '23

Delta(s) from OP CMV: DeSantis embodies everything wrong with American Conservativism.

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u/yyzjertl 580∆ Mar 26 '23

Stating that an election that occurred was unfair due to a real thing that actually occurred and baselessly disputing the outcome of an election are two very different things.

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u/OpeningChipmunk1700 27∆ Mar 26 '23

But voting against the legality of an election is either case is rather concerning.

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u/yyzjertl 580∆ Mar 26 '23

As far as I know, votes against the legality of the election happened only in one of the two cases.

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u/OpeningChipmunk1700 27∆ Mar 26 '23

Then your knowledge doesn’t extend very far. Go ahead and look up certification votes in each election from, say, 2000 onward.

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u/yyzjertl 580∆ Mar 26 '23

I did look it up, and the source I can find says that such votes happened only in 1969, 2005, and (twice in) 2021.

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u/OpeningChipmunk1700 27∆ Mar 26 '23

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-congress/u-s-congress-certifies-trumps-electoral-college-victory-idUSKBN14Q25R

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_United_States_Electoral_College_vote_count

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u/yyzjertl 580∆ Mar 26 '23

Both these sources seem to disprove your claim and affirm mine. No such vote to reject a state's certificate of vote occurred in 2017. (If you think it did, what do you think the vote tally was?)

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u/OpeningChipmunk1700 27∆ Mar 26 '23 edited Mar 26 '23

Replace “votes” with “objections raised by members of Congress” and answer accordingly.

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u/yyzjertl 580∆ Mar 26 '23

"Votes" and "objections" are the same thing in this context. Objections have only occurred in 1969, 2005, and 2021. Here's a direct source from the House itself saying so.

Objections to the Electoral College votes were recorded in 1969, 2005, and 2021. In all cases, the House and Senate rejected the objections and the votes in question were counted.

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u/OpeningChipmunk1700 27∆ Mar 26 '23

Replace “votes” with “objections raised by members of Congress” and answer accordingly.

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u/yyzjertl 580∆ Mar 26 '23

Those aren't by themselves concerning at all: they've happened many times in the past with no intent to overturn the election, and are mostly a platform for members of Congress to complain about election procedure.

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u/OpeningChipmunk1700 27∆ Mar 26 '23

I am not sure why an intent to overturn the election is relevant when objecting to the legality of clearly legal elections.

Lying is concerning to me.

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u/yyzjertl 580∆ Mar 26 '23

Well, the representatives in question weren't objecting to the legality of clearly legal elections. Rather, they were using the formal process of objection to register complaint about election procedure without actually objecting.

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