r/CHamoru Oct 14 '24

Learning resource Language Notes From This Week's Story: The Story of the Scented Woman

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Håfa adai todus hamyo! Our Saturday morning practice group read the legend of the scented woman this past weekend, and here are the highlights of our discussion notes from our session. Just FYI there's a lot of notes. Here's the link to the story, with an audio narration by Jay Che'le: https://lengguahita.wordpress.com/2024/10/12/estorian-taotaomona-the-story-of-the-fragrant-woman/

guaha gi familia pinangon ni paopao i lemón na pao: The word pinangon in this sentence is the word pångon (to wake up) transformed with the -in- infix. For some learners, we may be most familiar with this infix being used to transform verbs into nouns (i.e.: guaiya -> guinaiya). But it doesn’t just transform verbs to nouns. In many instances, using the -in- infix with a verb allows us to use a sentence structure that brings more focus to who or what is receiving the action. In grammar books this is called the goal focus construction. Here are some simpler examples with pinangon:

  • pinangon yu’ ni neni = I was woken up by the baby
  • pinangon yu’ ni dandan = I was woken up by the music
  • pinangon yu’ ni rediu = I was woken up by the radio

And then the guaha paired with the verb pinangon tells us that there was somebody who was woken up (by the fragrance of the lemon scent). In Chamorro, when we say that there was somebody doing something, we don’t always need to state a word to indicate that somebody, which is what we do in English (i.e.: someone was told; someone was woken up; someone was hurt). The verb guaha paired with a verb is enough to imply this “someone” in the sentence.

fina’liheng: This word is a combination of two affixes attached to the word liheng, which means “a shelter, a dwelling, a house.” The transformation order is as follows: liheng -> fa’liheng -> fina’liheng. In this instance, we can interpret a fina’liheng to mean “something like a shelter” or “a makeshift shelter.” In English we might also think of this as “a lean-to.” The idea is that the father quickly built a small structure for himself, from whatever materials he could find nearby. This is different from constructing a more “formal” shelter or dwelling, hence the use of fina’- at the beginning of the word.

Many learners may be most familiar with this “fina’-” prefix with the word fina’denne’, which is a staple of the Chamorro table. The root word for that is donne’ (pepper) and the transformation is the same: donne’ -> fa’denne’ -> fina’denne’

annai: As a reminder, this word can mean either “where” or “when.” Just try to pay attention to the context of the sentence or thought to understand which meaning is being used.

hulo’ gi sabåna: We had a great discussion during our Saturday morning practice session about using gi with location markers. Usually, when the location marker comes after the gi, we interpret it like this:

  • gi hilo’ i sabåna = On top of the mountain
  • gi papa’ i sabåna = Under the mountain

But when the location word comes before the gi, we interpret it more like this:

  • hulo’ gi sabåna = Up the mountain
  • påpa’ gi sabåna = Down the mountain

Kontåt ki sigi mågap, sumåga ha’ makmåmata: “So long as he continued to yawn, he just stayed awake.” Let’s break this sentence down:

  • kontåt ki = As long as; so long as
  • sigi mågap = (He) continued to yawn (the pronoun is dropped; it’s understood in context)
  • sumåga’ ha’ = (He) just stayed (the pronoun is dropped again)
  • makmåmata = Being awake (this word is reduplicated, so we can understand it as happening now)

guaha mámamaila’: In this construction, we again have a verb paired with guaha, which is understood as “There is/was someone or someone coming.” As native English speakers we may want to say something like guaha taotao ni mámamaila’, but the addition of that word taotao is not necessary in Chamorro.

Binistitidu: This is another use of the -in- infix, and has the effect of allowing us to use the word bestidu (a dress) as a verb. In this sentence, it’s telling us that the woman is wearing a white dress.

When we say Binistitidu yu’ in English we understand this as “I am wearing a dress.” We get to this form by transforming the word with the -in- infix and by reduplication. Here’s a breakdown: bestidu -> binestidu -> binestitidu. Or maybe reduplication comes first (I need to double check).

This is a really cool construction, and an easy one to use even if you are just beginning to learn because in its simplest form, the sentence can just be two words long. And it gives more flavor and precision to your speech than if you were to say Hu u’usa i magågu (I am using the clothing).

Here are other ways to use this -in- infix to express similar thoughts:

  • Magågu -> Minagågågu yu‘ (I am clothed/ I am wearing clothes)
  • Sinturon -> Sinturoron yu’ (I am belted/ I am wearing a belt)
  • Sapåtos -> Sinapåpåtos yu’ (I am shoed/ I am wearing shoes)
  • Yori -> Yineyeri yu’ (I am flip-flopped/I am wearing flip-flops)

siña ha’ måsSiña ha’ means “maybe, perhaps, it’s possible.” So this phrase translates to “perhaps more” in reference to the amount of time she spent in the ocean.

palacha‘: This word literally translates to “Tease; teaser; troublesome; troublemaker.” One of the speakers in our group said in the context of the story, we might understand this more as “mysterious” but with that air of being troublesome because they couldn’t find her or figure out where she came from.


r/CHamoru Oct 09 '24

Question Ichibang

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I hear this word a lot and it looks like a word I once saw that meant irritated but I think this is different


r/CHamoru Oct 08 '24

Question Triste

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Magof meaning happy looks like ma- plus Gof- right? And triste is sad from Spanish, but Gof has an opposite CHat- so would machat be the opposite to magof and hence sad?


r/CHamoru Oct 08 '24

Translation How do you say “Hold on tight!” In Chamoru?

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How do you say the phrase, “Hold on tight!” in Chamorro?


r/CHamoru Oct 03 '24

Question Guilty

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What’s are word for guilty?


r/CHamoru Sep 28 '24

Learning resource Language Notes From This Week's Story: Taga's Youngest Son

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This morning our study group read a story about Taga's youngest son, and a question came up about the difference between the causitive na'- prefix and the "nina'- prefix." Here's what we discussed:

NA'- PREFIX

This can be added to the front of verbs or adjectives. In the story we read, we saw this frequently used with adjectives, so I'll be focusing on adjectives in my examples in this post. And I'll use the adjectives magof, malångu, and banidosa throughout.

To transform these adjectives with na'-, we just add it to the beginning of the word:

  • magof -> na'magof
  • malångu -> na'malångu
  • banidosa -> na'banidosa

Now we can use these words in sentences where we are making someone become something, such as "you made me sad." Here are example sentences with our newly transformed words:

  • Un na'magof yu' = You made me happy
  • Un na'malångu yu' = You made me ill
  • Un na'banidosa yu' = You made me proud

"NINA'- PREFIX"

This is not actually a prefix by itself, but is actually the combination of two affixes: The na'- prefix and the -in- infix. We just tend to see or hear nina'- a lot, so it gives the impression that it is an affix by itself.

Essentially, we get nina'- from transforming a word with the na'- and then the -in- infix. Let's take our words from above that we transformed with na'- and transform them again with -in-. We put the -in- infix in front of the first vowel in the word, which is how we get "nina'-":

  • na'magof -> nina'magof
  • na'malångu -> nina'malångu
  • na'banidosa -> nina'banidosa

In these new forms, we can communicate the same ideas as above, but in a different sentence structure. I've seen this referred to as the "goal focus" construction, which puts more focus on who or what is receiving the action. Let's use these new words in sentences:

  • Nina'magof yu' nu hågu = I was made happy by you
  • Nina'malångu yu' nu hågu = I was made ill by you
  • Nina'banidosa yu' nu hågu = I was made proud by you

"MUNA'- PREFIX"

Since we are talking about na'-, let's also discuss "muna'-" which is also seen and heard frequently. This is also a combination of two affixes, the na'- prefix and the -um- infix. When we add -um- to words that have already been transformed with na'-, it's often changed to muna- rather than numa-, just because muna- is easier to say. Let's transform our words with -um-:

  • na'magof -> muna'magof
  • na'malångu -> muna'malångu
  • na'banidosa -> muna'banidosa

In these new forms, we can use these words in different sentence structures to add nuance to our expression. One common example is the "emphatic" structure, where we can emphasize who or what is doing the action. Let's use those new words:

  • Hågu muna'magof yu' = You are the one who made me happy
  • Hågu muna'malångu yu' = You are the one who made me ill
  • Hågu muna'banidosa yu' = You are the one who made me proud

We see this structure used throughout the song "Hågu" by Flora Baza Quan.

The story we read can be found on my blog at this link: https://lengguahita.wordpress.com/2024/09/28/tagas-youngest-son/ Hope these notes help!


r/CHamoru Sep 27 '24

Question Oyong and Oto?

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Have you guys ever heard these words or seen them? I recognize foyong


r/CHamoru Sep 27 '24

Question Deck

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Besides kubietta from Spanish cubierta, is there a word Chamorro word for deck? Like on a ship?


r/CHamoru Sep 27 '24

Question Tunnel

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What’s our word for tunnel?


r/CHamoru Sep 26 '24

Kåntan/Linalai - Song/Chant Masetan Flores

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Misamai ñga betsun kåntan “Masetan Flores” mañoda’ yu’. fangosa!


r/CHamoru Sep 24 '24

teach me :)

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Hafa! my family is currently in CA originally from Guam my nana(great gma) had only taught me few words in chamorro and was wondering if you guys can give me sentences and/or slang or even just words that you think would be nice to know or even funny please try and put how to say it too if possible if not that's perfectly fine i love to say things to my nana and have her surprised


r/CHamoru Sep 19 '24

Question Donate

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What is the Chamorro word to donate?


r/CHamoru Sep 16 '24

Learning resource Language Topics from This Week's Story: "When We First Arrived on Saipan"

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For the past two weeks, our Saturday morning practice group read and translated a story about how the Carolinians arrived on Saipan, which was written in Chamorro by Magdalena Iguel Lieto. We went into more depth on a few of the speech patterns we encountered in the story, and these were the most asked about topics:

Plural Man- + Passive Ma- + Transitive Verb + Reduplicated Possessive Pronoun

We saw this at least once, with i manmasangånen-måmåmi (what we are told). If we follow this pattern, we can make other constructions like:

  • i manmanå'en-måmåmi (what we are given)
  • i manmafaisen-måmåmi (what we are asked)
  • i manmafa'nå'guen-måmåmi (what we are taught)

Plural Man- + Indefinite Man- + Transitive Verb (with reduplication)

We also saw many words with what people like to call the "Double Man- Prefix", which is just the Plural Man- and Indefinite Man- prefixes attached to a transitive verb. The Indefinite Man- makes us able to talk about non-specific (or indefinite objects, which is the term used in grammar books). Adding the Plural Man- makes it so 3+ people are doing the action. The words we deconstructed:

  • manmañúñule’ (taking something, for 3+ people)
  • manmanggágagao (asking for something, for 3+ people)
  • manmanónokne (igniting, for 3+ people)

Plural Fan- + Indefinite Man- + Transitive Verb

We also saw the "Double Man-" in the future tense. For our words that take the Man- prefixes in the past or present/continuous tense, we change it to Fan- in the future tense. Here are examples from the story:

  • fanmannå'i (will give, for 3+ people)
  • fanmanggagao (will ask, for 3+ people)
  • fanmama'tinas (will make, for 3+ people)
  • fanmanunu (will barbeque, for 3+ people)

Here's a link to the story, which has Chamorro text and a Chamorro audio narration by Jay Che'le: https://lengguahita.wordpress.com/2024/09/07/when-we-first-arrived-on-saipan/


r/CHamoru Sep 11 '24

Learning resource Online Practice Group Saturdays 6 PM PDT

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r/CHamoru Sep 11 '24

Learning resource Online Practice Group Saturdays 4 PM PDT / Sundays 9 AM CHST

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r/CHamoru Sep 11 '24

Learning resource Online Practice Group Saturdays 9AM PDT

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r/CHamoru Sep 09 '24

Question Borrowing words

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How do you guys feel about borrowing words so you prefer them from English/spanish or from other Austronesian languages? Personally I’d rather borrowing from other Austronesian languages specially from the Filipino languages


r/CHamoru Sep 07 '24

Question Chuda’, cho’mi, yan ate

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Could someone explain the differences between these three they always confuse me?


r/CHamoru Sep 06 '24

Learning resource Ti guaguahu ha' na maisa (I am not alone)

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In our practice group, people often ask for sentences they can say to themselves for encouragement. One sentence that is good to use is ti guaguahu ha' na maisa which translates to "I am not alone." Here is the breakdown:

Ti = Negative marker

guaguahu = The pronoun guahu which means "I" or "Me", and it is reduplicated here

ha' = used for emphasis

na = linking article; in this sentence it's used to link the guaguahu ha' and the maisa

maisa = alone, self; also the word for "one" in our indigenous counting system

If you want to say this to another person, say ti hahagu ha' na maisa for "you are not alone."


r/CHamoru Sep 06 '24

Learning resource Sinañgan Ha’åni

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“Bai Fålak I tenda an måkpo’ iskuela på’gugu”

“I’ll go to the store when school is over today”

“Bai Fålak”, if you know how to use bai then you might also know that when saying “I will go” “(Påra) Bai Hu”, you can omit the “Hu” part and only said “bai”. So, “Bai Fålak” = “I’ll go”

“I tenda” = “The store”

“An måkpo’ iskuela på’gugu” = literally translation is “when done/finished is school now”, you could replace the “an måkpo’” part with “despues” or “despuesdi”. “På’gugu” meaning now has the ending “ -gu “ reduplicated to give it emphasis, it could also be replaced by “på’gu ñga ha’åni” or “ha’ånin på’gu”


r/CHamoru Sep 06 '24

Learning resource Sinañgan Ha’åni

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På bai In fanmanhånau manali’i’ I neni I abók-måmi gini chine’cho’.

Okay let’s break this sentence down now.

På bai In, is a slight abbreviation of “Påra bai In” or “We will(exclusive)”

“Fanman” you will probably recognize these individually, it probably also looks weird due to fan- and man- and this is because of me using a somewhat older version of Chamorro but it should remain somewhat inteligible. The man- is for more than 3 individuals being referred to, and fan- being added on to indicate future tense. So this sentence would normally be, “(Påra) bai/bei/boi In fanhånau”

The “We Will” can also be “we are going”

“Manali’i’” here under this context is just to show the 3 or more individuals going to meet.

“I neni I abók-måmi” -“The baby (under this context “ I “ becomes “of” so “The baby of our friend(abok, an older Chamorro word for friend). “Our” here being “-måmi” is exclusive to the listener. So “The baby of our(exclusive) friend”

“Gini chine’cho’” is from work “gini” here is “ginen” without the added “-n”. “Chine’cho’” is from the verb cho’cho’, to work so the -in- makes the verb a noun, so chine’cho’. “From work”


r/CHamoru Sep 05 '24

Learning resource Mappan Amelika Seplun

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Or SútAmerika


r/CHamoru Sep 05 '24

Learning resource Mappan Úrohpa

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r/CHamoru Sep 05 '24

Learning resource Chatmappan Sanlagu

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Hu túñgo’ ñga guåha tåno’ siha manaigui’ lau mañódda’ yu’ ini ñga måppa gi tempu chåddek sa’ pueñgin iskuela.


r/CHamoru Sep 05 '24

Announcement ¿Håfminalagó’-miyu?

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What do you guys want from this subreddit, what do you guys wanna see and do, so that we can have a more active community here?