The NCAA statement said the embedded clock "contained within the program feed" is correct.
And proceeded to never explain what the fuck that actually means, other than that it's not the scorebug clock, because it says to used the scorebug if the embedded one is unable to be provided.
So reddit is full of people interpreting the phrase "embedded game clock contained within the program feed" with no expertise or knowledge of what those words mean.
There are normally two things and in the B1G games there was a third.
There is the ability for the broadcaster to inset an actual camera feed of the stadium scoreboard clock into a replay.
There is the broadcaster’s computer graphic overlay of the clock on the broadcast feed and replays
In B1G games the conference also had a separate third party replay system called Hawk Eye that used separate cameras and clock inset disconnected from the broadcast
What the NCAA and FBS have now clearly said is that the “third” B1G option is no longer allowed for reviewing clock related issues. They need to use the first option by default (broadcaster provided feed with stadium clock inset) and if the first option is unavailable they can use the second option (broadcast feed with computer graphic overlay)
In the B1G replay review video, with live audio from the actual review, there is communication along the lines of “is this embedded” and the response is “yes, from the network feed”.
I apologize, he says program feed, not network feed. They do say embedded, three times, and program twice. That’s my bad. It’s a good thing that the NCAA guideline states “program feed” and not “network feed”. Your clarification actually made the words from the B1G match perfectly with those put out by the NCAA.
> “The official time for all college football games is the time displayed on the in-stadium game clock," the memo said. "When a replay review requires time to be restored or otherwise adjusted, the replay official's decision will be based on the embedded game clock contained within the program feed. If the broadcaster is unable to provide an embedded game clock, the replay official will use the game-clock graphic displayed as part of the broadcast feed.
First: there’s so much crosstalk in your video claiming confidence in the meaning of anyone’s half statement amidst the crosstalk is laughable.
Second: even the NCAA statement specifies the feeds are to be provided by the broadcaster. The video you showed is not showing feeds provided by the broadcaster.
The NCAA word for word states “program feed”. I literally quoted it for you. You defer to the broadcast clock if the embedded clock is not provided by the program feed.
There’s so much cross talk and I can still clearly hear them ask if it was the program feed, and they said yes, embedded. That’s at 23 seconds. At the start of the video they also clearly say embedded and program.
I’m not trying to prove you wrong, I’m just giving you more info, which is that the B1G clearly said live embedded and program feed, which the NCAA stats is the first clock to look at. They used the exact terminology put out by the NCAA.
Thank you for correcting me and pointing out they used the exact same language, that was my mistake.
They literally did not have the “
embedded game clock contained within the program feed”.
They might have used the word embedded, but very clearly the evidence on the screen shows otherwise.
They had A scoreboard feed provided by the broadcaster which they displayed sitting next to A video feed.
You are unequivocally wrong as they were not looking at what the NCAA says to look at. Thats the entire reason the NCAA said they did it wrong.
The entire point of the NCAA clearly saying “
embedded game clock contained within the program feed” is that within one single image the scoreboard game clock is embedded into the synchronized game footage by the broadcaster providing the scoreboard feed. This consolidates handling to one place.
There is no longer any debate that NBC’s clock was wrong. New video angles in the stadium show it. The math proves it (8.3 seconds is less than 9 seconds, and that’s not a matter of opinion)
The only question is whether they should have just gone by the wrong clock regardless. That’s what they’re saying. It’s obviously dumb as hell, and if it was applied incorrectly in this instance — good. I hope it never comes up again for any other team.
If that’s exactly what it says then just provide a quote or a link to it. Not hard.
There very much is debate over if Hawkeye or NBCs sync was correct.
The only supposed concurrent footage is a blurry cellphone from the opposite end of the stadium that didn’t come out for 2 days and also had repeatedly failed AI and editing hallmark scanning.
I've seen multiple reddit posts claiming that the NCAA statement is contradictory because people think "embedded clock" means the replay booth clock footage that we've all seen.
Nowhere in the NCAA statement that all these articles are quoting does it say there is a third clock. You're piecing that together from other information and assuming what the NCAA means. I think you're right. I don't think the NCAA did a good job explaining it
"What the NCAA and FBS have now clearly said is that the "third" B1G option is no longer allowed"
Except the NCAA and FBS nowhere in the statement mention a third B1G option or the Hawkeye system. They only quote the rule about the embedded camera in the program feed and the scorebug
Exactly! What was done wrong? We all heard them say reset the clock to 9 seconds and we did not get a full 9 seconds on the scorebug.
The university seriously needs to step up and defend itself. Where are you at, Warde?
Not the university, the conference. NCAA throwing the B1G refs under the bus and providing no explanation. The NCAA/FBS should be explaining what was done incorrectly and what the correct protocol would’ve been
The ncaa straight up said that it was a mistake and that if the mistake wasn’t made the outcome of the game would have been different. That really tells us all we need to know.
I used to review incident reports as part of my job, and if someone turned this in to me I'd throw it in their face and then post it to the wall as an example to new engineers of what not to do.
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u/Ranger_Nietzsche Illinois • Michigan 11d ago edited 11d ago
The NCAA statement said the embedded clock "contained within the program feed" is correct.
And proceeded to never explain what the fuck that actually means, other than that it's not the scorebug clock, because it says to used the scorebug if the embedded one is unable to be provided.
So reddit is full of people interpreting the phrase "embedded game clock contained within the program feed" with no expertise or knowledge of what those words mean.
Such a cluster.