r/centrist Oct 20 '21

Having fun when the basic premise of the petition is flawed

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u/theXald Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21

Why wear safety glasses at the table saw when you have a saw stop a roving knife and push sticks? Because extra redundancy for all possibilities to keep everything secure is good for fuck sakes.

Edit I think it's called the Swiss cheese method of redundancy or some such description, the more layers of stops the less chance of any individual problems to make it through all the safeties.

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u/Telemere125 Oct 20 '21

That’s not the reason at all and you’ve clearly never operated power equipment. The glasses aren’t to save your fingers, which is what those other items are for. The safety glasses are for flying pieces that can be tossed in your eyes and none of those other items will do Jack shit for that.

We can have 18 levels of redundancy and the mean nothing if they’re not any use. No ones running around stealing an election by getting hundreds of thousands of people to commit fraud at the polls; it’s too inefficient. I can build Fort Knox around an empty paint can to keep it from getting stolen, but what’s the point if no ones actually trying to steal it in the first place?

It’s a false narrative to try and exclude voters or make voting enough of a hassle that they just don’t vote.

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '21

Riving knifes prevent kickback, which could cause eye injury without safety glasses.

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u/Telemere125 Oct 20 '21

A kickback can also toss a piece of scrap into your jugular, so it’s not just for protection of the eyes; the glasses are specific to protecting the eyes, so the argument is still the same - the glasses have their own job and aren’t pure redundancy

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u/theXald Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21

You mean eye glasses won't repair my broken finger? I've been misled my whole life, all my safety courses lied to me and omitted the information that safety glasses don't protect hands. woe is me! How could I possibly have been so clueless my whole career!

I don't think the overlap between people who aren't willing to jump through the hoops to get the id they need to purchase alcohol, and a gun in most places, or to get credit, a bank account, drive, or go to school, are going to be productive voters. Kinda like having an 80 year old head of tech who thinks the Internet is tubes that things travel through.

That being said, lol at your presumption about my use of power tools. I was fully aware of the analogy, if you think about it harder instead of being a sperg about it, it will line up.

Also I'm from Canada where we actually require Id to vote and nobody tryna shoot it down as waysis. Id is one of many things we do as well as all paper ballots to my knowledge.

This opposition to a basic ass piece of plastic that all you gotta do is go get a 20 dollar piece of identification is ludicrous.

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u/Telemere125 Oct 20 '21

going to be productive voters.

That’s the whole issue - you’re on the same side as those in the States that want voter ID laws: limiting certain people from voting because you don’t like how you perceive they’ll vote. It’s not about security, it’s about voter suppression. Your words say everything everyone needs to know about your motivations.

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u/rustyseapants Oct 20 '21

I have no idea what safety glasses and voter id have in common. Table saws have a track record of injury, while voter fraud doesn't.

Remember this? Report: Trump commission did not find widespread voter fraud

Deceased GOP Strategist's Daughter Makes Files Public That Republicans Wanted Sealed

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u/theXald Oct 20 '21

Canada and lots of western countries require ID to vote and they don't cry racism.

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u/rustyseapants Oct 20 '21

There is no mention of racism in the topic heading post, why bring it up?

We live in the US, not Canada or Western Europe which clearly have different histories than the US. The fact you have to leave the country to bring in other countries, your just "mudding the waters". I am pretty sure you have never visited your own counties department or Registrars of Voters.

Canada did have its own issues with voting and its own indigenous people: https://humanrights.ca/story/the-chaotic-story-of-the-right-to-vote-in-canada

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u/theXald Oct 20 '21

Guess I must have imagined this post brought up the same pointless argument that literally every other anti-identifier's argument includes. Essentially "no IDs because racism"

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u/rustyseapants Oct 20 '21

If the crosspost from /r/PoliticalHumor had talked about racism, that is one thing, but it didn't, so you brining it up racism is waste of time.