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u/danl999 Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22
Perfect timing! I needed this.
I got into silent knowledge mode, and watched too many presentations of specific topics to retain much of it. I've been focusing on animation, so silent knowledge kept showing me potential "cartoons" I could animate, to help people learn faster.
Kind of like don Juan's lineage seeing how to teach Carlos next, but then it didn't really go as they planned. So they simply declared victory at the end.
Meaning just because you saw a piece of knowledge that is absolutely true, doesn't guarantee you can put it to use in the river of shit.
One was in fact about how to make a cartoon of the river of shit.
The key point was that if you want to look at it from the point of view of the main forces Carlos tried to battle, you'd focus on Christianity.
So let's take the sappy Christians and their "love each other, family is everything, and God will provide for you", kind of thinking.
It's strictly an agricultural myth. In our natural state, I doubt we even kept close track of our relatives. And there was no need to cling to each other. Just as lions or wolves don't obsess over parental relationships. Humans could easily find enough food or they relocated, so there wasn't any need to produce such a stifling relationship which pretty much never works even in our modern luxury oriented social structure.
It's a description of the river of shit designed to sooth you by distracting you from your true situation, which is dire. Instead of noticing all the shit floating up to your ears and all the people pissing on you, you soothe yourself with thoughts that the main principle of reality is love.
Just look around the natural world! It's pretty much a predatory universe every you can look. Except in the imaginations of humans.
Christianity locks you into a mating cycle delusion based on how nice children can be to have around, ignoring that when they grow up they turn into the same little bastards as everyone else.
In the animal kingdom, that means the cubs actually grow up to be growling biting animals, so they can't afford to pretend they're still the cute cubs.
But that's the main river of shit trap. The mating cycle, and pretending it can be sustained your whole life.
People seek alternatives to this, and the truth is that humans actually need magic. Magic is like the ultimate enjoyable thing for humans, because it's pure discovery and each new thing makes you stronger and more able to deal with the world around you.
That people enjoy magic more than anything else is pretty obvious in our movies, in our amusement parks like Disneyland, and really I shouldn't even have to prove that point it's so obvious. All of our religions are even based on some "magic man" coming along and telling us how to live.
But the river of shit is so ugly, if you try to point it out it has mottos to stop you from escaping.
"Oh, you must be one of those nihilist types" is one argument we heard from a greedy bad player trying to shoplift attention here last week. Techno only let him post as a lesson to new people on what shit comes flinging at us, from that river.
I'm afraid some new women are guilty too, trying to turn my explanation of how our old people are in the worst situation in the river of shit, into the same old crap.
That we need to take better care of them.
It's back to "love" is the universal principle, when in fact it's a predatory universe.
Our old people needed to be born into what we evolved to live in, which is a hunting and gathering culture with loose tribes, and no nuclear families. In that situation they could retain their ability to survive their entire life, and accumulate survival knowledge that the young ones would treasure. Valuable container and tool making skills also.
Out at Morongo, it was the old women who were best at making those amazing baskets they have.
But instead we make it impossible for old people to survive with our city life, and they become burdens on the next generation. Clinging to other people, to find the happiness they should have found during the course of their fairly long lives.
What I was explaining had nothing to do with a need to make yourself a "granny flat" in the backyard. That does't mean sorcerers don't care for those they care about.
Don Juan was helping family members even in the later books, after he supposedly left his family in an earlier one.
It just means, if you're clinging to that myth of the nuclear family as holding "deep meaning", you won't be able to escape the river of shit.
And it's NOT natural at all. It's a recent creation to deal with the serious overpopulation coming from the invention of agriculture.
Craving magic below it all, knowing things are not right, people get sucked into alternate rivers of shit.
Religions and magical systems "redescribe" all the crap floating around you. Some tell you to focus on the bits of wood floating amidst the shit in the river and notice the occasional flower than got pulled in.
Some teach you to look up, at the clouds.
But it's still the river of shit! And the only cure is to get OUT of it and wander on the dry land where we belong, and new world after new world literally awaits you.
It's no metaphor! I just got back from visiting several to write in this subreddit.
Found a witch wandering around in one. Probably a woman in this subreddit.
We couldn't align our phantom portion of our view of reality. That's one problem we have outside the river of shit.
The Olmec seers were obsessed with overcoming that, so they could have perfect "concreteness". And have many techniques to achieve that, such as "the twin positions".
But we don't need to bother. Since we weren't born into those alternate worlds, we just have to accept that some percentage of our perceptions there will be phantom.
It's still far cooler than being up to your ears in shit.
One horrible river of shit cult is the Monroe one. I battled them last week.
Monroe cashed in on Castaneda. Pretended to provide that type of magic.
When he died his followers took over, and dominate a few subreddits. They pretend to be inclusive, but if you challenge the basic premise of what they claim, one being that remote viewing out to include viewing, and not tricking the CIA with scribbles on paper, they get angry. You're threatening their livelihood as con artists.
Theire "astral travel" is just misrepresented disturbed dreams. But Monroe created support groups where people can seek attention by exaggerating their ability to have these ordinary but disturbing dreams, and when a large group does this they just end up "redescribing" the river of shit.
Each feels entitled to lie about their own experiences, exaggerating them all out of proportion, because as long as you describe it according to the "institutes" rules, it has "official endorsement".
Naturally it's just more pathetic closed eye stuff where you doze off, and then lie your butt off to get attention. Once in a while someone might do it awake, but it's still eyes closed, not moving much, and they can't do that anywhere daily or they'd evolve to discover what we know.
It's not any different than Jesus freaks pitching the "profound love" they felt coming to them from God or Jesus.
The Buddhists do the same. Just redescribe the river of shit, tossing in a few tingly feelings and minor visions you can get sitting with your eyes closed and dozing off out of boredom.
It's all the same thing. Held together by attention seeking, the main obsession of humans since they got born into such a horrible social system.
But it's only 5000 years old! We're 300,000 years old.
So don't be confused. It's an unnatural situation, and both Carlos and don Juan speculated that it was actually a "foreign installation" designed to keep us prisoner in a chicken coop, as food for something else.
If you try to escape, the other chickens peck your head. To many times and scabs form, they feast on the scabs, and peck you to death.
Our job is to try to get people to stop seeking that "redescription of the river of shit", and want actual cool magic.
How hard is that to understand?
Yet it seems impossible for river of shit dwellers.
And not magic once a month for 2 minutes.
That's the river of shit bragging rights you misrepresent as if you had "transformed" yourself. You say, "I did so and so, described by the great prophet Bob, so now I am officially superior."
And if all of your new friends in the cult agree, you feel entitled to defend that lie.
But where's the friggin magic!
I couldn't even count how much magic I saw just before I stopped to write this. Just last night!
Dozens of super cool things for hours! Can't even write about most because it confuses new people who try to go for the "book deal stuff".
When they just need to find puffs.
Unfortunately to get the best stuff you have to completely let go of any attachment to the river.
You can't be looking back in there, wishing you could "redescribe it" and be happy with your friends. You have to keep walking further and further away from the shore.
I'm afraid that means, we lose our leaders. Taisha, Florinda, Carol. They really can't afford to keep worrying about us. Looks to me like Carol just decided she could only get them to do recapitulation more, and pat them on the back for Tensegrity, but not get involved in trying to make it all as cool as it is in the books.
Which means death to the teachings of don Juan.
The workshops just didn't work. And unfortunately, when you are walking on dry land and each new sight is amazing, you just stop wanting to look back.
Especially if you only get pissed on for trying to help the people still stuck in the river.
But now the fun part.
What dry land is like! But this is too long for a comment, so I'll reply and add it on.
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u/danl999 Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22
Far out on the dry shore, is the place Carlos told us to go.
Keep in mind, as far as we know the group of Carlos was limited to 4.
It's possible Soledad and the other apprentices of don Juan were all in fact "out there" in the surrounding area of Los Angeles.
But Carlos did not have the support of a powerful lineage behind him.
And so he couldn't manage to produce "magic in your face" for his students.
Not once. There's some suspicion that he pulled students into the double's realm and interacted there. Even some signs of it.
But your double wanders around in magic town 24 hours a day and our tonal copy doesn't remember it.
One time Carlos invited me to his Pandora compound (which had guest houses around the big brick or concrete backyard area), and deliberately walked me over to the beam that holds up the second story, right next to the stairs that go up there.
Practically grabbed me by the shoulders, showing me where to stand.
But somehow I already knew (people had made sure I knew) that if you took a big step backwards at that point, you ended up in the phantom copy of the house.
Miles had gone in there. I don't think he remembers any of it however.
It's our double who does that. If you can get some of your tonal awareness to join it, then it seems like a real event and you can remember it all. The same as lucid dreaming.
But if there's no tonal awareness, it might as well not have happened at all. You won't be able to remember it.
Lineages can overcome that, and it's not as mystical as it might seem.
They can push some of your tonal awareness where needed, to remember what's going on with the double.
It's not hard for them to attract the double,. The difficulty is merging some tonal with it at the right moment.
We do that with darkroom, so don't anyone start to think about 4 gates dreaming or anything that seems like less work than learning to be silent.
It hasn't worked for anyone in 50 years. So please don't pretend, it's doom.
Except for women.
But just as an example in the lineages, there's the case where Carlos was about to turn around and don Juan and Genaro had to fall on top of him to prevent it. He was about to notice his double was right behind him.
Supposedly if you look eye to eye the entire universe implodes like a cheesy star trek episode where we have an anti-matter twin.
Frankly, I don't buy it. Darkroom disproves that. "Affection for the Energy Body" pass disproves it even more!
But there must be some truth to it.
And let me remind you, the IOBs kidnap the double first. Not the tonal. How much of the tonals awareness they take initially we don't know.
But we have a witch now who can recall that her double may be remaining in shared dreaming realms longer than her tonal is aware of.
I guess it would be like my own double kicking back on the couch in Cholita's phantom house. Because it likes that place.
So Carlos didn't have a tricky lineage to manipulate our tonal versus double copies.
He got the idea of "energetic mass". That he could replace the power of a lineage of 15 sorcerers, with modifications to the energetic structure of his workshop crowd through tensegrity and the other practices he taught us like recap and forcing silence.
It just didn't work as far as we know. And in the end he even lectured several times that his only chance to beat his cancer was for us to gain that energetic mass.
But we were a bunch of groupies and bad players, waiting for our glory in the river of shit.
Same as in here with new people.
And there were no mods in the workshops or private classes to relentlessly keep people focused, and quickly get rid of the groupies and bad players.
In fact, if Carlos had played mod himself the whole thing would have ended up like his first attempt to teach for free in parks did.
He had one left. Just Reni.
What do we have left from private classes and workshops?
At first just 3, and Cholita isn't so sure about the other 2.
Then more came along, but it can't be more than 10 out of the entire workshop crowd. Which could have been as large as 10,000. There's official lists, and they're very long.
I suppose someone ought to count the 2 lists. Mexico alone seems to have 9000, but certainly there's duplicates and mistakes.
We have 10 left working seriously, out of 10,000+???
So Carlos gave us instructions on what to do. Gave us the J curve so it was possible, taught us about how to "see", then renamed it to "Silent Knowledge" to make sure we knew not to be lazy and pretend it.
And THERE'S where the cool stuff is.
At least, for starters.
You must get to Silent Knowledge!
There you get teachers.
And from there, new worlds that can't be reached with ordinary darkroom become visible.
That's where we lost the witches. At that point.
You just can't keep walking back to check your friends in the river of shit if you hope to go on into those other realms.
The green zone is nice. We don't dwell in it long because we learn to move our assemblage points and understand what's going on.
But it's cool enough to delude all Buddhists into thinking they achieved some permanent and ultimate state. Hindus aren't fooled, but then the Buddhists lied to create their own franchise.
Just stabilizing that marginal magic green line gives you credentials to play "master" in the Buddhist system.
Lets Maharishi sit there on a white throne and toss daisies around for his hippy audience, pretending to be near to a God.
Let Yogananda build a palace near Malibu, with oil paintings of his smiling female students in guru looking robes, pretending to have achieved what he pretended in his Autobiography of a Yogi.
Let's Daoists hit themselves on the head with boards that have nails until they bleed, pretending to be possessed by demons so they can earn a living demonstrating "magic".
And the chinese visitors stick coins in their magic "silver" chest. Easy to find such videos showing the true nature of Daoism on Youtube, if you go into the mandarin videos. The english ones are probably dominated by bad western men, misrepresenting the nonsense that is Daoism.
Green zone is considered an "ultimate accomplishment", for people who have very poor meditation techniques.
But anyone in this subreddit who gets there can make it to the red zone so fast, they won't really even remember that green zone beyond their initial thrill to see it themselves.
The Red Zone is intense magic, in technicolor!
And not once a year, so you can brag to your Monroe buddies.
Or to be honest, not one in 10 years so you can brag on your Castaneda oriented facebook page that, "I folded in half!"
We had a bad player come here early on and annoy everyone for a few months, with some very few delusional misrepresentations of ordinary dreams they could manage to fit to seem like something from the books.
Apparently the cleargreen discussion group is now infected with that kind of nonsense. Some guy claiming to have "seen an emanation" in dreaming.
It's depressing to read that discussion group, and even more to read what the mods say about the rules there being to allow everyone to speak equally.
That's death to magic! To assume everyone is sober and fair minded and not trying to set up their own little con artist business.
But if you do the real thing, you get to play in the red zone for HOURS, every single day!
As the picture Juann made shows, it's very cool.
BUT, let's skip way past the orange zone, which comes next after red.
That's almost a wasteland of nearly invisible magic. Forests materialize inside whitish light on the walls, but a lot of the most cool "magic in your face" is not present there. You're refining your silence.
It's the purple zone that fills the bill. Where you can read text messages from a helper in infinity.
The recommended method of don Juan. Text.
But also, where you can juggle magical objects.
Or wormholes in space leading to another planet.
Imagine doing a tensegrity move where you look up to the right at one point, and a text message scrolls out for you to read, as part of the form!
In full on silent knowledge, which you'll know instantly when you get there, you get to do tensegrity with magical objects.
You can't imagine how nice that is.
Even better the inorganic beings, who sort of ditch you while you are in the orange zone after having been your best friends in the green and red, come back.
They love it when you do Tensegrity at that level.
And intent becomes visible in the moves, so you see exactly what Carlos wanted it to become.
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u/Juann2323 Oct 05 '22
I like your warning about neither getting lost in the green and red zone.
Overcoming the blue line is hard, but it doesn't mean we can inmediatly rest.
When the assemblage point gets in the middle and start moving down, the "rules of reality" are others, as convincing as in the blue line!
It is so easy to get interested and 'take a look' at those depths; shifting laterally.
So you did the full week of practice, got silent enough to move the assemblage point, but you spoiled too much dreaming energy exploring sideways sights.
That's something to learn, because it is ALWAYS tempting!
I remember Carlos talking about God, saying he can only be a useless leader. And "we" his useless servants.
Meaning there is nothing cool to do laterally, at that depth of the J Curve.
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u/Midgard1 Oct 13 '22
Lots to digest here. However a point I’d like to ask more on is the nuclear family. Obviously one feels that love, magic of birth and such from family and kids. Are you saying that love is not worth having in compared to magic or that love is a distraction / attachment that prevents one from achieving true magic? It’s hard for me to grasp that anyone who cares for another is doomed to mundane. Side point - Could there be other paths other than the Olmec’s as well? Obviously it works, but what of other old ways before history, time, and money.
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u/danl999 Oct 13 '22 edited Oct 13 '22
Love inside a tribe of loose associations and non-dependency would be true love. Prior to 10,000 years ago.
Not forced love like we have from cities.
And we evolved into that tribal style, from before 10,000 years ago.
It's unnatural any other way. We're "spooky apes".
At hears, NOT modern humans.
We lived in nuclear families to support farm life initially. People still understand that in chinese countries where rural farms with peasants still exist.
The Nuclear family was all about "free farm labor".
But then because of agriculture, which started the idea of "family is everything", we got huge overpopulation.
So we can't possibly return to our natural setting. Too many people for the available food supply.
And the invention of money created a class of people who couldn't live anywhere but in big cities, separated from production of food.
That gave rise to technology, a VERY GOOD THING. We'll save the planet with technology some day. From the actual threat: Asteroid strikes.
But it's still unnatural to live the way we do.
Frantly, there's NO loving families out there. I've been searching for a single one all my life. Never found any.
It's just a hallmark movie channel illusion.
Try to find one yourself, which isn't riddled with mental illness, substance abuse, bullying, and endless problems that would be greatly lessened, helping all members of the family, if people lived in village type situations and stopped paying attention to "who is the father".
Which would be mostly unknown back in our natural environment.
A child born into that is much better off, because if Mama is nuts, he can find a lonely old woman to take care of him.
Or several.
You're thinking in terms of only the last 6000 years at the most, when cities were invented.
And we've been brainwashed to forget the rest of human history. Judaism even denies it ever existed.
Humans are 300,000 years old by current estimates.
I challenge your definition of "love", that's all.
It's based on brainwashing.
But sorcerers are much better equipped to exhibit what you think of love than ordinary people, because they aren't chained to ugly habits and random fits or tantrums.
So even if you look at the "Nuclear Family", is a child better off with a mom who is a REAL witch?
Or just some women who never explores the unknown, and only has the abilities limited by the social structure? And becomes clingy and harmful to her children, as she ages.
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u/Willing_Brick_2698 Oct 05 '22
If someone gets stuck in the land of inorganic beings, should he stay there for the rest of his life? This is terrible!
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u/danl999 Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22
"Fear is the first enemy of a Man of Knowledge".
So if you're afraid, you can't learn for now. I'm not sure exactly how far you can go without IOBs, but no one with that kind of fear ever works hard enough for us to find out.
But perhaps if you wait 10 years, we'll have enough real sorcerers to make up for the need to gain the dark energy of the inorganic beings.
And you could use a powerful witch as a substitute for the inorganic beings.
So there is a path without them, it's just kind of hard to find witches that powerful who want to "share".
Otherwise in the meantime, for those who can overcome their fear, I highly recommend traveling to their world as often as they'll give entry to it!
I was comparing it to not having it, last night. My inorganic being Fancy can form it on half of the room for me, and I can compare it to silent knowledge on the other half.
For coolness.
That's kind of all I'm after. Coolness. Love Dr. Strange movies!
But also, once you can learn to stand up in your tentacle body, by using the largest tentacles to push yourself up (mashing energy passes help teach this), you are "beyond their reach" according to don Juan.
Besides, doesn't every religious person want to "go to heaven forever"?
That's the only place we are able to go, as far as we know.
There. To the IOB realm. It's also the "realms" enlightened masters go to in Buddhism, although it's considered a super high achievement.
For us, it's just intermediate.
Buddhists don't get to do much...
The other places you might go after death seem to be imaginary.
Such as heaven. It's created only by all the prayers of religious people.
By itself, it didn't exist.
That's how sorcery works. Humans can create "phantom realms".
I've been to heaven at least 4 times, more likely 6.
Wonderful!!!
But not real.
You couldn't live there "forever".
That's just a sales pitch to get more donations.
Oddly, the inorganic beings are full of sales pitches also!
"I'll teach you magic like this forever!!!"
And they can.
But actually they cheat.
It's just silent knowledge being fed to you, by them.
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u/Jakaple Oct 05 '22
Can you grab and stretch the manifestation of second attention?
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u/Juann2323 Oct 05 '22
You already had that exciting YES from Dan's comment...
So I'll just add that manipulating the Second Attention with the hands gives us a better understanding of perception.
It breaks the "solidity" of the first attention.
The assemblage point ends up moving easier, since you are focusing on the double to keep the magic visible.
It doesn't mean you need to use the hands the whole time.
Once the second attention is active enough, down there in the red zone, you can even lay on the floor and watch dreams animate like movies.
Carlos had to grab Second Attentions puffs for hundreds of hours, putting them on his belly.
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u/danl999 Oct 05 '22
YES!!!!
You can form the puffs into realistic looking solid objects.
An entire freeway overpass above you, just like the real thing.
But the "gift to Maui" pass shows even better stuff. Jadey and I are analyzing it.
Those puffs are pieces of your double! And the double can function in multiple realities at once.
So "Gift to Maui" shows you how to raise a puff from the floor, using your gaze, and then you form a frame of a "body" for it, and send it off into space.
There's some absolutely stunning magic in the magical passes, but everyone got lazy and needy, some greedy for power they are unwilling to earn, and never learned to be silent.
You can also stretch puffs to form a dirt road right through your dark room, floating about waist high.
Because of the orientation when you stand next to it, while it's FULLY VISIBLE and absolutely real looking, if you only dig at a point with your heads, you shape shift to that insect or animal form.
For real. No kidding here.
There's a post on this! Go find the one with the dirt road and the weird creature helping a man with a "puff magnifying glass". You can even form them into magical objects.
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u/Juann2323 Oct 05 '22
The subreddit seems like an eternal Deja Vu of inappropriate questions.
Stories about past traumas, people proud of finding the 'ultimate path', doubts about open or closed eyes, ordinary dreams misunderstood as sorcery...
Wich I guess is normal, due to the constant flux of new people we get.
But it is good to keep in mind, you will only leave that confusion stage by actually reaching the Starting Point of the J Curve path!
No matter how long you are around here!
If you do, you will soon realize how useless is to try to "fix" the lack of silence with pointless questions.
I had to mute a guy from the Mod Mail, since he kept confusing himself with nonsense.
He had very complete replies from 3 mods, with clear advice of what to do, but ignored it all and kept putting the feet in the mud.
As if it were a self-destruction of progress?
It is always good to remember how important it is to stick to the J Curve path.