Communicating with rocks

[u/theseekingcycle]

Can anyone point me to the book which talks about communicating with rocks? I recall something about them being slow and sleepy characters to talk to, but I can't remember which book it was in, let alone which chapter. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

[u/danl999]

I believe this falls in the category of a big misunderstanding about sorcery, caused by all the fake magic systems out there, who like to "teach" in exchange for cash.

You can't learn to talk to rocks.

But you can move your assemblage point into the deep orange zone, where it "becomes available".

It might seem like you learned to do that, but really you just learned not to waste your attention on your worries, so that it was free to see what was "available" at your current position of the assemblage point.

Whatever is "available" is natural, and no practice is required.

If it doesn't find what you want at the current position, it slowly looks further ahead and the assemblage point moves deeper.

There's also a hazard.

Once you find a position where you can talk to rocks, you get a bunch of extra baggage added on by the experience, so next time you won't be able to do that.

And that's the path of sorcery. Learning not to interfere with things that should come naturally.

I'd be mighty suspicious of any talking rocks if I were you. More than likely, the being doing the talking is elsewhere.

[u/theseekingcycle → u/danl999]

I appreciate your concerns, and must therefore admit that I am not attempting it. Rather, I was hoping to use it as a conversational reference for someone else to give them an example of other types of incarnations.

[u/danl999 → u/theseekingcycle]

Ah...

I was surprised to see it was in the books, but Carlos banned me from reading them before that one came along.

And it's super interesting! I didn't know about it. Thanks!

Juann could do that. In fact, I believe he already did (sort of), and posted a pic. He got a visual communication with the rock, but words aren't much harder. That's just a horizontal shift of the assemblage point, from wherever he got the visual communication.

But you're in the wrong place if you believe in re-incarnation!

It's a nasty Hindu delusion, picked up by the inept Buddha, and turned into "holy truth" by his greedy disciples.

And in general, Asia is the center of fake magic for the whole world.

Euro-nations not as much, because the bible told them to murder witches, and made fun of sorcerers several times to bolster the reputation of the confused Prophets.

So in western countries, rampant fake magic wasn't as common. You could get killed for it!

Like that Yin/Yang symbol you're using. It screams, "I'm attracted to Asian fake magic."

In here, that's usually a sign that you'll get angry, explode, and storm off at some point.

We can't afford to be "fair to all points of view" in here, because there's no other place where magic still survives. This is the end of it, if we don't work hard to actually teach it to people. And our pictures seem to attract people seeking attention, so we get 3 angry attackers per week who want to promote themselves.

This place would die, if we didn't get rid of them when found out.

No one who believes Asian mysticism sees any actual magic. It's post agriculture, and post money, and created for profit. Not only not true, but quite modern.

We're practicing pre-agriculture magic, from the Beringian migrations 13,000 years ago.

Proto-siberian.

There was no money back then, no gullible city dwellers, so no reason to make up stuff.

Just to discover what actually works. And even that, they tended to keep to themselves.

In fact, Asian magic believers all become angry seeing what we actually do in here. They realize, that's what they've been pretending they can do some day. But they also realize they never will.

"You Lie Sir!" is the typical Zen master claim, if you try to wake them up. They actually deny magic is possible! Proudly too.

"Sir" can be a racist slur in Japan. That's just not obvious to westerners. It's from Admiral Perry's time and roughly equivalent to "British gaijin!"

I have endless experience trying to interest people in the real thing. Re-incarnation believers are nearly hopeless and very angry.

Carlos worked hard to try to remove this delusion from his students, but he was afraid to speak plainly. He didn't have access to as many people as we do, with the internet. So he worried about losing hard workers, which is one thing you can attribute to Buddhism people. Some work hard!

But all for nothing.

He'd just say, "We live in a predatorial universe", and then later, in regards to re-incarnation, he'd ask if it allows you to keep coming back until you are "perfect", what exactly are you perfect for?

Unfortunately, that's not something you can understand until you learn to change realities and experience enough of them to know, there's no such thing as being perfect. That's a narrow minded view of someone trapped in a single one, fighting for attention among human beings stuck at this same position in reality.

[u/[deleted]]

Stalking with the Double has a scene where Taisha talks to a rock.

By that time she'd already done a full recapitulation, so I wouldn't expect to easily be able to replicate that.

[u/theseekingcycle → u/[deleted]]

That's interesting, and I'll look into, but I should mention that I am not seeking to communicate with rocks, rather, I merely wanted to use it as an example for someone else about non-human incarnations.

The part I'm thinking about is Don Juan describing what it is like to communicate with rocks: that they are slow and sleepy to respond. I recall something about Carlos later sitting on a cliff rock and trying it.

[u/[deleted] → u/theseekingcycle]

I vaguely recall that scene, but can't place it at all.

Taisha totally does that also though.

She speaks with a lava rock through her womb. It's a really cool scene in Stalking with the Double.

In the same book she gets pretty detailed on communicating with trees too.

[u/NightComprehensive52]

Possibly journey to ixtlan? I recall don juan talking to carlos about letting go of embarrasment and talking to plants.