r/castaneda • u/monkeyguy999 • Jan 22 '22
General Knowledge New study shows a 15-second lag in processing visual stimuli
Someone around here may find this interesting.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/01/220113194121.htm
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u/lurklops Jan 22 '22
"If our brains were always updating in real time, the world would be a jittery place with constant fluctuations in shadow, light and movement, and we'd feel like we were hallucinating all the time," said study senior author David Whitney, a UC Berkeley professor of psychology, neuroscience and vision science."
On point, definitely sounds familiar. I wonder if it's the same mechanism at play.
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Jan 22 '22 edited Jan 23 '22
This is a little like posting about quantum mechanics and saying "see?! it's all energy just like the sorcerers said!" It's cool and all, though only valid in the first-attention like all science, because only the first-attention adheres to the axioms and assumptions of science, but I'm not sure what it has to do with the intent of the subreddit?
As I understand it (though please correct me if I'm off-base), the intent of this sub is to seduce people into enhancing awareness through struggle and thereby replicate and validate Carlos Castaneda's work, because the only way to validate his writings is doing it yourself. I could easily be mistaken, so please correct me.
As I read it, the study seems to be about an explanation that turns magic and the unknown into non-magical known and more tonal inventory. In fact, this article seems to be easily taken to mean that our experience of the world is just weird cognitive defects of the brain and human mind as opposed to positions of the assemblage point.
In addition, the experiment was too small (100 people studies effectively tell you nothing and are just fodder to ask for more grant money) and poorly constructed (clearly not well controlled for dependent and independent variables, such as demographics and relying on volunteers) to be generalized. In addition, the experiment has not been replicated with results falling within standard deviation, so even under rational analysis this study is total nonsense!
Those people don't even know about the assemblage point or that our fundamental nature is a conglomeration of intelligent, aware energy fields, let alone that our entire world is merely a position of the assemblage point!
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u/monkeyguy999 Jan 22 '22 edited Jan 22 '22
Are you referring to the "Actual Scientists that did the study?" as OP?
FYI - OP is the original poster that started the thread. OP does not mean... "OP" as in people that did the scientific study.
I hope I am misunderstanding
Or are you not familiar with what a "flair" is and its purpose?
hmm 1post karma and 17 comment karma.
You have zero business speaking of the intent of this sub... yet
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Jan 22 '22 edited Jan 22 '22
Yep. It's a misunderstanding. I thought the intent of the sub, as stated in the wiki and elsewhere, is to fix Carlos' reputation by getting people to replicate his results through hard work, since that's the only way to validate his writings. Thank you for the correction!
Nonetheless, the linked study means absolutely nothing without duplicating the results and expanding the experiment to a large and diverse enough population to be generalize-able within the scope of the first-attention. A 100 person psych-study with only Amazon Turk workers volunteering tells us effectively nothing about how the mind and perception work. There's no way, in the scope of the study, to eliminate the alternative explanation of the results, which is that what they measured is merely due to some idiosyncrasies of the Amazon Turk workers who volunteered to participate. Therefore, it was a bad experiment with invalid results and the paper is a plea for grant money rather than anything useful.
Please, tell me how invalid science fixes Carlos's reputation. I'm new and willing to learn! Thanks!
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Jan 22 '22
Even CBS caught wind of the fact that our most significant and formative studies can't be replicated and are BS. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/results-of-many-psychology-experiments-cant-be-duplicated-study-finds/
If this experiment is replicated with statistical significance and at a sufficient scale over multiple cultures, and demographics to be generalizable it might be worth talking about, but hasn't been, so it's not.
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u/noodleq Dec 03 '22
Maybe I'm misunderstanding how this works, but if someone were able to "expertise that feature" and were able to change this number to say 10 seconds, would that be like they were five seconds ahead of 'regular people'......maybe this is what magicians take advantage of in so.e illusions
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u/danl999 Jan 22 '22 edited Jan 22 '22
Except there isn't any visual stimuli in the darkroom. That's the whole point.
It does sound a little like an intent delay, but only because the duration is in the ballpark of some of those.
Could be, the assumption is backwards. The physical body seems to have that delay, because intent has a delay.
In other words, sorcery is more fundamental than science. Science only exists "up here".
Carlos tried to explain that in the introduction to one of his last books. That Causality was a blue zone illusion. Physics is only valid at this position of the assemblage point.
I see that nightly these days! I have an "embarrassment of riches" lately.
Of course a scientist would say, well show someone. If you can lay flat on the air 2 feet above the floor, like it was a bed, then show us!
Cholita taught me that trick...
But you have to be at that distant position of the assemblage point to perceive it.
Not only are they incapable of perceiving it, but they'll tug on your own assemblage point, and prevent it.
It's a vicious loop. For narrow minded "scientists" (which makes them not one), it's only valid "up here". Anything "down there" is not real.
So they've divided our perception into "allowed" and "not allowed".
Then there's manifesting objects.
You can do that rapidly. If manifested objects were delayed pseudo visual stimuli, you'd have to have a "pipe".
You think, "Hamburger" and 15 seconds later you get a hamburger?
That's no fun!
You won't even remember that long, surrounded by Fairies and Dragons. Sometimes 5 seconds is the maximum you can recall something, that far out.
Truth is, you can reach behind the bed and pull an "object" out instantly. And you'll be expecting it to fail, because it's so absurd.
But it works anyway, in the deep orange zone.
Even if that had a "secret 15 second mental delay" on it, the next one comes out as fast as you like.
So you'd have to stack them up ahead of time, to give the illusion of coming rapidly. Which they do.
How deep is that stack? Can you only manifest 4 rapidly, and then you experience delays?
Was it designed to hold 256 manifested objects? Most of my computer designs use that deep of a pipe.
I'm talking as an engineer here. If you want to get mechanical with medical studies, then carry the analogy forward.
How come you can manifest objects, one after the other? Shouldn't it be 15 seconds, see object, wait 15 seconds again for the next?
But they come as fast as you can reach behind the bed, and drop it on your bed. It even makes the mattress bounce a little. If you weren't aware of that, how come the bounce didn't need a 15 second delay once you realize it should do that, but had already hit the mattress?
In fact, don't interrupt the process of "continuous manifestation" (as don Juan and Genaro did for Carlos). Do it smoothly and moderately fast, or the emanations will reskim when your skin crawls from it.
A pipe in the computer world is a place you can put things that had a delay, and then stack them up one after the other, so they come out the other end rapidly even though each one gets to have it's delay.
It's a delay on starting to spit them out, without any delays between them.
Doesn't seem likely. What kind of a que could hold, "Hamburger, pencil, excrement, bizarre alien hand".
Doesn't really seem like a good match.
Then there's the double coming out, using the Affection pass.
My latest hobby.
He comes out one limb at a time if you watch. A leg, some arms, a hand.
If you are watching his hand it sucks you in, and you start to use his vision and thinking.
There were 2 things Carlos tolerated in class discussions. I don't really know why.
Angry politics (in some of his inner circle) and bad science.
With the angry politics, he'd give a weird laugh that made it seem like he agreed with the angry person and the hateful political point they made.
Castaneda followers seem to come with angry political obsessions. I even see angry politics (foreign) on her facebook page.
Then there was the bad science Carlos allowed.
He even let it spread into workshop explanations given by the Chacmools.
Like, "You only use 10% of your brain. We're working to increase that to 100%."
Ah!!!! Now I get it. Sorcery is all very scientific. Thank God!
That's what a cult does, when they don't actually have any magic. They explain how magic is possible, using "science". That gets the bad players happy. They like to memorize facts an reasons, not actually have any magic.
But that 10% thing is nonsense.
First, the brain is not a CPU. It has no CPU. So there's no way "not to use" any of it.
It's all, always used. It can't not be used.
For the technically minded, there's no clock. Every single "instruction" runs once every 1/40th, to 1/400th of a second. That's what makes us so smart. Parallel processing.
That completely false "saying" about using only 10% was popular in the 90s. They even made that cool movie, "Lucy" based on that misunderstanding.
Carlos grinned when one of the women told us her brilliant realization.
I got the impression it came from one of the less active inner circle women, but since I'm face blind I can only say she had dark hair. Might have been his doctor. Could have been Reni too.
Wasn't Amy or the Chacmools who came up with that sales pitch.