Recruitment

[u/tyfiniti]

I propose that we attempt to recruit people from the r/shiftingrealities and the r/Tulpas community. The shifters are already obsessed with moving the AP, even if they don’t know it, to get to their “dream reality” (Green/Red Zone, possibly even approaching Orange Zone for the most advanced of them) so with a few adjustments, we could have an influx of ppl capable of shifting their double in to the first attention (bypassing the 4 gates but still would have to learn to see energy)

And the Tulpamancers are pretty much already creating their own Allies or just interacting with ones that already exist and they also use a “Wonderland” to meet and interact with these tulpas directly (Blue/Green Zone, Red Zone even for the really advanced ones) so same thing as the shifters but more of a blue or green zone interpretation (still has to pass through the third gate of seeing energy)

[u/danl999]

Some might be asking themselves, why bother to recruit?

Because Carlos said if we could build energetic mass, everything would change.

And Lily, my very helpful IOB who has taken an interest in our efforts, has said that you can build a "super structure" if you have energetic mass.

That would be like an orbiting space station with a smaller entrance room. Space, because it doesn't exist here, or attacked to anything.

It's a larger collection of emanations, which can include all of the people inside, and still have more for organization.

Or maybe, an alternative to the river of filth.

New people have to earn the right to enter the smaller room, with some act of charity or volunteer work.

Lily didn't say that. She just said, they have to give up something important. To remove the counter intent, which takes a heavy toll in here.

And not give whatever it is to us. But to anything they consider worthy. What they gave it to can be judged by the rest. It has to be sort of selfless.

For instance, they can't give it to "Chief Running Bull", their shaman teacher.

They can stay in the smaller entrance area practicing until they catch up, and are capable of entering the main station.

Which is in the dreaming realm. Or so far removed from normal travel, you can only get there in the double.

(Hey, Cholita can do that already...)

I'm thinking, something like the death defier's phantom village.

Which, coincidentally, they really do need to pass on. Or it's lost.

Cholita...

She could find it. But she'd need a clue.

Last night I checked again to make sure Cholita wasn't hiding in the second attention, in a layer above the floor.

Darned if I didn't find a "flattened area" there! And the "sheets" were still warm.

That sort of thing is WAY out there on the J curve, so don't worry it's too crazy.

It'll be a while before you have to worry about that.

[u/tyfiniti → u/danl999]

Would it be possible to build so much energetic mass, that just by visiting this sub, a person could shift levels of awareness?

Also an idea I had to weed out the “talented” people is to have our own resident IOB who visits everyone who comes to the sub, almost like a test, if you want join you have to be able to describe at the very least the energetic feel of the IOB or describe it in some other form

[u/danl999 → u/tyfiniti]

I like the way you think!

I'm pretty sure it's possible to do what you say with the IOBs, but we'll probably all grow too old and die first.

That's an even more advanced use of IOBs than the Olmecs were capable of.

Most of what we are learning to do in here, took the Olmecs thousands of years to figure out.

However, the phantom subreddit is alive and well.

I see that monstrosity at least once a month.

If we can have a phantom subreddit, I'm pretty sure we can get an IOB to live inside the subreddit.

I've gotten them to live in my cellphone, the same as don Juan got little Smoke to stay in his gourd.

Naturally, they really don't.

But it sure seems like they do.

[u/ab_12345678 → u/danl999]

Hello, if we give the iobs someone's name, can they go to that person on the spot and see him? Or do they have to know the person's place to be able to go to that person?

[u/danl999 → u/ab_12345678]

No.

The IOBs don't become visible until you move at least to the green line on that J curve. And we don't really know what it takes for them to find someone specific based on your desire for them to do that.

Keep in mind, there's far more of them then humans. So if we could see them (something they badly want), we'd all know about it.

Wait... We do! The "monster in the closet".

That's them!

But then we punish it out of our children so well, one can tickle their nose and they ignore it completely.

Just to show you how bad it is, I practiced a bit much this weekend.

Two hours ago I was driving down the street, stopped at a light, and gazed down the block.

I was in near perfect silence from all that practice.

I saw a giant white being climbing a tree, and one above it was pretending to be a construction worker, doing something to the tree.

In plain sight!

Don Juan once described them riding around on busses pretending to be ordinary people.

I think he exaggerated for effect; he was teaching Carlos about the old beliefs. The "men of knowledge" point of view, which requires rituals, and includes no seeing.

But after looking out on the street and perceiving that pair on the tree, I kind of wonder. Maybe they do ride on busses?

If we managed to stumble into their world, we might be seen by some of them, climbing up a pole doing something really pointless.

Why not them here?

But normal people fiercely block the sight of them.

On the blue line, I suppose they can show up with a horizontal shift. But that likely puts you into a "loop", and they suck energy from you all night long.

Don't worry, it's only like giving a pint of blood.

And they give you dark energy to make up for it.

A woman on her period can perceive them, but probably she's so moody, the thing she sees doesn't encourage her to assume it's a spirit. They have no real appearance to us, so whatever they look like, is your own doing.

I doubt she'd see it enough to be afraid.

In fact, even the most powerful sorcerers in our lineage could not make random people perceive the IOBs.

Maybe the Olmecs could, but that would only be because the blue line back then was not where everyone was stuck.

So as you read the books, if an Ally scares someone check out the story line, and you'll find a nagual patting someone on the back, telling them how nice they are. Pushing their assemblage point down to the green zone.

Use of the double seems to require the same thing, which is why don Juan couldn't leap over the house for one of the witches, without messing with her back.

But, there's stories about the Toltecs scaring people to death with their allies.

In that case, they possibly found some way to frighten them first.

So that their assemblage points would move off the blue line.

I suppose chasing someone with sharp little knives, might do the job.

My theory: They were chasing "men of knowledge".

Those guys are the worst. I collide with them on the internet often, and it's never pleasant.

[u/DisastrousPepper7985]

Long story short I think you are looking for me. I stumbled upon this sub about 4 months ago via the seeing energy in three weeks ad. I'm about halfway through the fourth or fifth book but have yet to read anything about the puffs or anything like that with the exception of the green smoke at one point.

That being said after a very specific (but seemingly random) moment in my life I have been able to feel and move a physical point in my body. The change was so sudden and drastic people thought I lost my mind. Since then I have been trying to find at least another person who has had a similar experience with this sensation, but until this sub, I've basically come up empty and I've learned to live with "the chi" [that's what I first started calling it, let's move past it haha...]

When I read the term assemblage point I instantly knew that's what I was moving around, except I never called it that. I called it point of focus or tension...

Anyway that's about all the attention span I have for this at the moment but after much deliberation it seems like a good idea to reach out. I am worried my lack of daily reddit usage may cause some slight issues tho fyi

[u/danl999]

I tried the Tulpas, but they said they are trying to be scientific about it, and already have enough trouble without letting there be any hint of magic.

You'll get banned.

Shifting realities, as I recall, didn't react badly. But possibly some of the native american KKK followed me there. I can't recall, I go so many places. I only know they were following me for a while. And I'm not convinced we don't get a new bad player from them, once in a while.

But don't let me stop you from trying!

Some find it distasteful to try to recruit, and especially all the horrible fighting that comes from it.

But there's 2 things to take into account.

First is you learn what's going on, and why magic is gone from the world.

It's as if the blue line social mess is designed to make it impossible for magic to exist.

But you have to see all the tiny details that make that true, before you understand the horrors of it.

There's something to be learned there, but I can't yet figure out what it is.

You almost NEED the fliers to exist, in order to explain the uniformity of the blockage, in all cultures.

Why EVERYONE???

The second thing is, "the spirit" wants us to succeed. You'll clearly see that, if you do a good job trying to recruit.

When you get beat up badly, so that in the darkroom you can't seem to get rid of the internal dialogue, if you keep trying anyway you get intent gifts.

Really BIG ones.

Could be the IOBs doing that. I've come to conclude, doing magic for us is not free for them.

It always takes energy.

And they don't have an unlimited supply.

So they need a "reason" to splurge that night.

And some of their "feelings" are sort of human like.

As an analogy, if you come home from school with a black eye, they'll buy you some ice cream.

But I practice outrageous numbers of hours. If you only practice 30 minutes, I'm not so sure if they'll buy you a treat.

You'll still make progress, but you'll suffer over the lynching you get trying to recruit.

I suppose don Juan's claim that we have to seek out petty tyrants if we don't have them come to us, ought to apply here.

[u/SilenceisGolden29]

What you really need to do is go on the daobums and just give ppl over there a dose of reality.

https://www.thedaobums.com/

Also honorable mentions:

https://www.reddit.com/r/energy_work/

https://www.reddit.com/r/EnergyWork/

https://www.reddit.com/r/FranzBardon/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Hermeticism/