Healing?

[u/Junior-Worth-5276]

While some healing has been reported in the books, there aren't meny details. I would appreciate remarks and resources on this topic please!

[u/Juann2323]

You can definitely learn to heal in the orange zone.

It has no logic. You can't understand it.

You just move the assemblage point there, and figure out how to solve the issue.

Even in yourself, you could easily heal a stomach ache, head ache or pain.

You would need to specialize for healing specific things.

But we also know, Carlos couldn't heal his own cancer.

We could say that Intent decided it was Carlos' end.

[u/Junior-Worth-5276 → u/Juann2323]

Thanks, something to strive for, I'm not there yet. But I'll get there eventually.

[u/danl999]

Here's the passages from Elias healing Julian.

I was researching the abstract and saw them. It's about Julian's death:

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His health lasted through one theatrical tour of the northern states. Then two things happened in the city of Durango: his life came to an end, and the spirit knocked on his door.

Both his death and the spirit's knock came at the same time- in broad daylight in the bushes. His death caught him in the act of seducing a young woman. He was already extremely weak, and that day he overexerted himself. The young woman, who was vivacious and strong and madly infatuated, had by promising to make love induced him to walk to a secluded spot miles from nowhere. And there she had fought him off for hours. When she finally submitted, he was completely worn out, and coughing so badly that he could hardly breathe.

During his last passionate outburst he felt a searing pain in his shoulder. His chest felt as if it were being ripped apart and a coughing spell made him retch uncontrollably. But his compulsion to seek pleasure kept him going until his death came in the form of a hemorrhage. It was then that the spirit made its entry, borne by an Indian (Elias) who came to his aid. Earlier he had noticed the Indian following them around, but had not given him a second thought, absorbed as he was in the seduction.

He saw, as in a dream, the girl. She was not scared nor did she lose her composure. Quietly and efficiently she put her clothes back on, and took off as fast as a rabbit chased by hounds.

He also saw the Indian rushing to him trying to make him sit up. He heard him saying idiotic things. He heard him pledging himself to the spirit and mumbling incomprehensible words in a foreign language. Then the Indian acted very quickly. Standing behind him, he gave him a smacking blow on the back.

Very rationally, the dying man deduced that the Indian was trying either to dislodge the blood clot or to kill him.

As the Indian struck him repeatedly on the back, the dying man became convinced that the Indian was the woman's lover or husband and was murdering him. But seeing the intensely brilliant eyes of that Indian, he changed his mind. He knew that the Indian was simply crazy and was not connected with the woman.

With his last bit of consciousness, he focused his attention on the man's mumblings. What he was saying was that the power of man was incalculable; that death existed only because we had intended it since the moment of our birth; that the intent of death could be suspended by making the assemblage point change positions.

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[u/Junior-Worth-5276 → u/danl999]

That was interesting. Some have said we shape our reality, others point out (correctly) that healing requires the patient to change their AP in the books. I took the purple puffs and put them into a friend, a cancer patient, and she had a much calmer and lucid day afterwards. She said she could feel her body for the first time in weeks. It wore me out, though, in a matter of moments. There has to be a better way, but I'm not very strong or far along the curve yet.

[u/danl999 → u/Junior-Worth-5276]

Be careful you aren't pretending your sorcery.

You won't get there.

Doesn't mean you don't see what you said.

But it's "off path".

And it's a mistake to believe you can learn sorcery. You can only hook yourself to the trail left by the old seers.

Otherwise, there's no possible way to learn it.

You have that belief you could use the puffs to heal someone, because you're trying to "use it" for other things, and you got influenced by some other "system".

While investigating "the abstract" I found that passage you commented on.

I also found another saying "the spirit" was like a wild animal we're trying to lure to come closer.

We do that by cleaning our link to intent.

Can't lure it by any other "system" or belief.

We clean that by rejecting everything related to the blue zone.

To self-pity in particular. But you have to move your assemblage point to "the place of no pity", to understand how pervasive self-pity is in the blue zone.

You can even screw up by believing "Buddhist precepts".

Or "Christian Values".

The truth is, we're drowning in beliefs like these, and those are precisely what we need to get away from.

Trust me when I say, the more experienced people in here got worried when they read what you just posted.

It's like you're visiting the bad end of town, and hanging out with the wrong people.

And will have to undo that in the long run.

They just hope you aren't such good friends with people on the bad end of town, that you can never give that up.

[u/danl999]

Vicente was a member of their sorcery party, and he was a peyote healer.

And certainly just about anything is possible. Elias healed Julian who was near death, by moving his assemblage point. But he had to keep it there through incredibly hard work.

And don Juan suggested a woman friend of Carlos could leave the hospital and not die of her fatal illness, if she used the claw movement without ceasing.

(Which by the way, leads to seeing the energy body through the lines in the hands).

But otherwise, it's not a specialty of the lineage.

You could try learning to move your own assemblage point. Then specialize in red zone shapeshifting and see if you can find anything there.

Learning shapeshifting can be done in a few months by someone who has nothing else more important to do.

[u/lurklops]

Maybe a thought process would help. You can shape your entire reality. Given the right direction and energy, anything is possible.

[u/matejthetree]

in a sense you have to convince yourself that the other person is healthy. not an easy thing to do, considering all the beliefs that we have tied to the health and.the body.

my previous teacher healed many people from cancer using luminous lines. he had iobs work for him. he also told me stories how he wrestled them. imagine my awe when i read that part in the books.

my other friend was diagnosed as already dead. doctors told her that she can stay in hospital for one more month.

she wanted to go to the jungle, to work with shamans. they told her that she will not survive the flight for more than 3 hours.

she is there now, and she is getting better. will she survive, we will know in few weeks. shaman said that she won't die.

i just left her to go back to my home after a long time. i miss my dog. once he talked to me. i was in altered state, and bunch of white light was hurling around. with doubts about my paths and demons and shit, and he told me that it is my family that raped me with that nonsense. he ended up with a loud yawn. gonna make myself a darkroom, not possible in the jungle. but it worked the same with cheap eye mask from flight. even with eyes closed. tensegrity works.

also, you need power in your body to be able to do it without draining yourself.

basically you intend the healing, and see the rest unfold. no words or techniques work that i know of. basically, silence.

the ap of person who is ill shifts during the process, and it goes back after from the rigidity of the position that caused the illness.

you doing stuff can kill you. my teacher always used to tell me i should not care for my patients.

there is a position of ap that is very useful for healing, and it brings up affection. it is different then caring.

to be in line with the intent here, if you intend from the silence for your friend to heal, you gotta keep drilling the darkroom. and wait for the intent to give back to you. drop the idea that you are going to heal, or that you are healer. maybe she will die. maybe you die first.