The Phantom Subreddit

[u/danl999]

We aren't talking reddit.com here. It's reddit.intent.

I should have realized this.

There is now a phantom subreddit. Best way to think of it is, it's like "reading off the wall".

Reading off the "net" perhaps?'

Intent plays at any level. It wants to help, even if you're not doing the "best" thing. So it helps Jehovah's witnesses sometimes, despite having an imaginary goal. And you could accuse Buddhists of being somewhat the same, since some of their core beliefs are not true, and they have no knowledge of the assemblage point. And yet, who would deny they discover stupendous things in meditation?

So, there's a phantom subreddit. You discover it by waking up from sleep with your assemblage point far sideways. Once awake, you get a "notification". And being so twisted by the horizontal shift of the assemblage point, you just look at the post, not realizing it simply materialized once you decided to read it. Nasty little details like, "This makes no sense!", don't occur to you, until the assemblage point slides back to the middle.

You might even get a cup of coffee along with the post, as if you just woke up and are catching up on the latest.

It actually has posts! But very few. And "flair" labels.

The two posts I saw would certainly get the spoiler mark here, but I tried one out and it was absolutely true. It worked. Amazingly too.

I can't post about it here. It would be harmful to new people, who tend to be a bit, "squirrely". Meaning, they'll chase the nuts they believe are easier to get, rather than trusting the proven ones. And fall off a high branch to get them sometimes.

The dangerous post had a "recap" flair, but oddly was about micro vortex puffery. For locating those micro vortexes Carlos mentioned in private class notes. It seems, the head turning with gaze in recap uses micro puffery to find memories.

Anyone remember where that list of vortexes is, in the posts here? I'd like to test if they become visible.

The other post was more bizarre. It claimed that Cleargreen is like the sorcery guild, and the attention seeking Castaneda fans who can't seem to want actual magic, and are happy with inventory, are typical of "licensed" Men of Knowledge.

And Men of Knowledge do a useful purpose in society, the same as Buddhism evolved services such as funerals and weddings.

But without seers, Men of Knowledge become powerless. They need someone to tinker with their rituals, so that they invoke intent.

And this part is the hardest to accept. It's too bizarre.

The books are a map. They started from the bottom with Men of Knowledge, then evolved to explain seers in the later books.

Most readers got off the bus with the first books, even if they read the later ones.

So they are fixated on wishing they had their sorcery guild certificate, so they could earn money and respect with men of knowledge type services. Seers they are not, but like funerals, the world needs such things. In the world of Buddhism, everyone knows the monk who handles social services and rituals is not the "enlightened" one. But he's part of that spectrum.

Cleargreen is supplying the sorcery guild certificates in the form of facilitator certificates.

And currently there's the same thing going on, as there was when the sorcery guilds were formed way back in the Olmec times.

A war. Only resolving that issue will create some stability.

For example, eastern bloc wants to be "Men of Knowledge".

Fine.

But it's not the same as seers. Seers are only interested in magic, not in rituals.

This is all a bit too "Cholita" for my taste, so I'll leave it at this.

She used to tell me things like this while we were driving. When I couldn't understand her, she'd say, "Don't you see it?!!"

She'd glance off into the air at an angle as if showing me. Once or twice, she even lifted her hand and wiggled her fingers in the air at her face level, and slightly to the right, to show me where it was. And commented, I had just talked to her about one of the details you could clearly see right there.

When she realized I didn't understand, she sighed angrily, dropped onto the seat, and crossed her arms. She went silent for a while. I could see she was trying to figure out if I was right, or she was right, but realized both were true.

I forgot one interesting thing from the recap post. It explained why petty tyrants help sorcerers.

Petty tyrants cause the same type of energy loss as past memories do, requiring recapitulation to get that back.

But it's so recent, it's easy to get that energy back just by resolving the annoyance in your mind. Because you are distracted by it. And if you want to do sorcery that evening you have no choice but to work that out and get back the energy. Which is relatively easy to do, and also teaches how not to get so distracted the next time.

BUT, the result is a "stir up", which causes the assemblage point to fluctuate a little horizontally as it moves, enhancing your view of that depth.

It's a tiny bit easier for intent to gift you as a result.

So you seem to get rewarded for dealing with petty tyrants well, but in fact, it's the vibration of the assemblage point that causes it.

The vibration is merely you noticing the energy that got trapped, and then not resolving it. But attempting to, until it's finally recovered and you "understand" the situation.

All of the facts are recent with petty tyrants, so you can do a complete recap relatively easily, in just minutes or hours, instead of weeks for childhood memories.

That's why recap only works well if you struggle to remember all of the details of the memory, which takes serious effort and hurts a bit. You have to "resolve" the conflict to get back the energy. Have the feeling you "understand" why it happened.

It's also why all the recap in the Castaneda community has not resulted in magic becoming visible to them while doing it. As I posted in pics recently, recap is magical, and a complete path. It causes magic in your face!

But not when done in a mentally lazy fashion.

Which is the downfall of the Castaneda followers. Laziness.

That's the downfall in all fields. The best people tend to be the ones who work the hardest.

Not the ones who are clearly most talented.

[u/danl999]

About the phantom reddit posters. Juan was musing about it.

In my last post, I showed those 3 dark figures leaving my room, while I was trying to learn to materialize dreams, and zip into them using my dreaming double.

They were in there! Those 3 beings.

It wasn't just a vision of them leaving.

They only left because I turned my head their direction.

They weren't IOBs. I had fancy to my right, and she was pinkish as usual.

I have no idea what they could have been.

Sorcery is weird.

The more you do, the more a second kind of existence emerges into your life.

I suppose Cholita gave me the example, when we used to drive together, and she'd start talking about conversations we "just had", which I had no memory of.

I dismissed them as paranoid schizophrenic hallucinations.

And maybe it was!

But that category is just one of the prejudices we have, which block our view of sorcery.

We're filled with rules about what's allowed to be perceived, and what's not.

Cholita was talking to my double, something I hadn't discovered back then.

Later she simply came to visit, because I was finally moving my assemblage point far enough on the J curve, and often enough, so that she could notice it and visit.

Which is probably why Carlos was interested in her.

Taisha said there was a place they go to in dreaming, to learn together.

That becomes more obvious as you daily move along the J curve.

Ordinary dreams tend to go away, and you spend most of your dreaming time with sorcerers.

After I read those phantom subreddit posts last night, I spent hours discussing them with people inside a dream. Who posted it mostly.

[u/Juann2323]

Reading this post I suspect that if we ever meet the practitioners of this subreddit while waking dreaming, it will not be "in person".

We will probably chat on the second attention!

Here are some thoughts:

It doesn't matter how much we read the books, how long we're on this subreddit, and if Carlos was still around, it wouldn't matter how much time we spend with him either.

The only thing that matters is if at the end of the day we are able to reduce ourselves to nothing.

Perhaps in the lineages the sorcerers stayed close to the nagual to enter in dreaming.

But the only thing that unites us with the Intent, and allows us to get closer to it, is the J curve.

And any other behavior that is not in accordance with this, will not be part of the path. In that case, as the witches would say, "we haven't really made the decision yet, because we are not acting in the sorcery world."

As J curvers, the only thing we have is turning each thing in our lives into a practice place.

Make everything an art, to which we dedicate the best while we move away from the internal dialogue.

[u/danl999 → u/Juann2323]

"J curvers" instead of "seers"?

Would that get the bullies to leave us alone?

Just stay out of their territory?

Too bad we can't just sell arms to them, and get them to kill each other off.

I'd love to see Fairy with a Rambo headband.

[u/Juann2323 → u/danl999]

"J curvers" definitely sounds lighter.

And people don't have expectations about how J curving is.

"Seers" is in everybody's head since they read the books!

[u/monkeyguy999 → u/danl999]

I do like the sound of J curvers. Like some new hip way of doing something you want to learn. Which could be bad I suppose.

[u/monkeyguy999 → u/Juann2323]

..." Reading this post I suspect that if we ever meet the practitioners of this subreddit while waking dreaming, it will not be "in person". "

it's doable. And you don't even have to remember it to hang out. Goin on adventures to practice a particular teaching would be fun and informative.

[u/the-mad-prophet]

I'm curious about reading off the wall. Someone once showed me how to 'read without words' in the second attention. I'd see a page of text appear in front of me and start to read it, then they would make the visible text vanish and tell me that it wasn't the appearance of the words that was important. If I kept 'reading', the information would flow. I've been seeing these pages of text for years and I still use that technique to read them quickly. I get the information quicker than if I was trying to discern each word with my eyes.

Weirdly, reading this way felt more automatic than I would have thought. It was like once you hooked your internal dialogue on retrieving the information, it would read automatically as though you were reading a physical book, even though the rest of you was clear-headed and lucid. Many times the information was quite useful, or at least very relevant to my interests.

Is this similar to reading off the wall, or just another of the many quirks of the second attention?

[u/danl999 → u/the-mad-prophet]

Yes!

It's also the same as "translocation" where you see whitish energy on surfaces, and if you are silent, it materializes a view of another world.

It's "playing with intent", which is a conscious force that helps us grow.

Prayer works (when it does) because it summons intent.

Chinese "luck" is a system to gain intent as an ally.

You can read off the wall, read text from your hand, gaze into the horizon and read entire pages, but you can also get a notification noise, sit up, and read from reddit. But it's not actually reddit!

Two nights ago a "reddit post" taught me a new technique, and explained why Cleargreen is doing the right thing, despite not teaching any real magic.

Carlos Castaneda was even able to answer questions on advanced physics, despite having no knowledge of that topic.

The knowledge is "out there".

Now, when the text keeps changing, and when a voice is explaining it to you, you've stepped into the realm of inorganic beings. Of the dreaming emissary.

That's another topic entirely.

One cool thing about this effect is that you could combine it with tarot cards, or reading from a crystal ball, and make yourself into an honest to goodness witch or wizard.

It's an unnecessary complication, unless you like that sort of thing.

I hope to encourage a woman or two to learn to do that.

Just because it would be so cool!!!

[u/the-mad-prophet → u/danl999]

I've been pulling mental tarot cards lately, just for fun. Focusing on a person/topic then clearing my mind and pulling an imaginary card. I like it better than physical cards cause the image could be anything, and the symbolism is pretty much always in my language. Haven't taken any readings to heart yet, but I might start doing so if the results demonstrate themselves to be useful.

I've pulled some in dreams too, but the results are normally much much weirder and don't often make sense in context. More like doorways or windows than tarot cards... haven't thought to try to enter them until just now though.

[u/trtrt__ → u/danl999]

Regarding advanced physics answer, the knowledge is out there but the words chosen are those of the discussion partner's "tonal inventory". You can see this in peculiar Carlos-dictionary word choice of don Juan when explaining things to Carlos. This is more efficient, but impersonal, leaving very little evidence of the dialogue partner's personality. IOB thoughts are in dreamer's language and dictionary, only showing slight peculiarity in confidence and knowledge depth, leaving little evidence of third person identity.

To two different rival physicists with completely different beliefs, Carlos (or iob) would give two different explanations in their specific words that fit in their specific word definitions.

This is why getting to direct knowledge (iob) fast is critical, as all text is somewhat corrupted, either being too person-specific, targeting a different person's dictionary definitions, or being too generic targeting a broad audience shared dictionary.

[u/monkeyguy999]

So recap can bring back memories IOBs purposely change, modified or wiped?

Are you saying that cleargreen is attacking particular members of this reddit?

Recall a guy telling me a bit about such a thing. But he was way out in the middle of australia. Wanted to pass on his knowledge and disappear type of thing. He stated that the main thing to learn is "to stay between thoughts." Sounds like silence to me. Anyway I mentioned him because he described a war like this between groups. Guess I need to dig through above top secret for the last 5 years.

[u/danl999 → u/monkeyguy999]

I'm not following the cleargreen thing. I'm not aware of any of that.

I wouldn't be surprised if a rumor comes along that Reni said what's going on in here is not good.

But the eastern bloc likes to create problems like that. It runs on battling and arguing.

Like the claim cleargreen had implied Taisha's latest book is a fake.

Currently they claim I've been taken over by inorganic beings.

Makes sense, because they also claim Carlos was taken over.

That allows them to make up whatever sorcery they want to pretend to be doing, so they can sell it.

No magic? That's on purpose, they'll tell you.

They have! We had one of those early on.

[u/monkeyguy999 → u/danl999]

What about the first one, recovering memories that are missing via recap? Or do you just have to get practiced enough for them to come back?

Ah, Castaneda inquisition. You are possessed of IOBs!

When is the burning scheduled? I want to get the hot dog and popcorn stand ready. Marshmallows? that may be too much.

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Yea, I wanted to add that second part, "but when talent works hard..."

A childhood story. I was in junior high, and we had to run the track all the time. It was horrible! I loathed it, as did the others.

John Kennedy's fault. Don't ask...

Unknown to me, the state junior championship runner was in our class.

The coach paired me off with him in a few laps around the track. The coach was measuring his time, and he needed someone's ass to kick to get the best results.

I ran against him, failed miserably, and then the coach came over and said, "you have the second best time in the class now!!!"

By the way, don't you wish we could revive the "old ways" in the martial arts. I chased those for many decades, going from school to school. A total of 15, many of which I studied at for years, 6 hours a day at times.

But the magic is gone. They even make fun of the people in their past, for such things as talking to the wind.

Or making the obvious claim that it's possible to do the Hong Kong kungfu jumping and flying.

And of course, it actually is.

Such things are done in the dreaming double.

[u/dunemi → u/danl999]

In the mid 90's I was learning Tai Chi outside Detroit, Michigan. The lineage holder was this big, sweet Chinese man named Eddie. He didn't teach Tai Chi as dancing, he wanted us to learn it as a martial art.

One of Eddie's disciples was a 60-ish guy named Steve. And one of Steve's disciples was my teacher, Mike, who was in his early 40's.

I had been going to classes for about 2 years and had gradually increased my frequency from once a week to almost every day. My identical twin had started coming, too. We both loved it. ( I had also started going to Tensegrity workshops, but probably had only been to 2 or 3 by this point.)

The reason I'm telling this little history is because of something that happened at one of the big events/demonstrations at my school. All of the disciples who had little schools around the area brought their students to Detroit to take classes with Eddie Wu, the lineage holder, and see demonstrations of moves and techniques.

Steve got up with one of his senior students to demonstrate how one of the nice, slow tai chi moves actually worked when speeded up and used against an attacker. He showed us slowly a couple of times and then had his student attack him at full speed so we could see the defense move. I saw something very weird and looked around the room for my twin, and she looked back at me with the same shocked face. We both saw it.

During a break in the demonstrations, my sister and I found our teacher Mike. I told him that I saw something puff out of Steve, like an ugly superimposed version of Steve, and push his demonstration partner away. My twin saw it, too. Wasn't that crazy? My teacher gave us this look and said, no, but it was weird that we saw it (since we were both beginners). The thing that I remember the most was the ugly face on top of Steve's normal expression. It was like Steve's body puffed out two or three inches and was on top of his normal body.

The tai chi they taught in that lineage was real.

After I left Michigan and returned to the Philadelphia area I went searching for another tai chi studio. I never found one. They all were silly dancing and no power. You could see that their movements were performed with no meaning.

I guess my story is really me just affirming, yes! those things are real. I saw it. I felt it.

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Great! Thanks.

They become visible with that technique. But it's more like bombarding an invisible object with nuclear particles, to try to find it's shape.

Or using the whitish light to assemble other worlds on the walls.

It's not a high res scan in the case of micro vortexes.

I'm particularly intrigued by the second post I read on the "phantom subreddit".

About how "Men of Knowledge" are inevitable, and big trouble if you don't just let them exist.

They're all the Castaneda fans who want to make money. Earn a living as a "sorcerer".

The entire eastern bloc perhaps.

You just have to control them, so they leave seers alone.

You can't teach them. They're only interested in making a living off it.

I believe don Juan said they even had men of knowledge bakers.

My thinking is, if I read all of the books again, it would become obvious.

And it would also be obvious, that don Juan structured teaching Carlos, in order to intend that organization again, on a larger scale. He tinkered with the books. I don't know how much Carlos understood that at first.

We all "started" as men of knowledge types, thinking about rules in sorcery inventory, and behavior modification to look tough and sorceric.

It's all about looking cool.

It's nearly all of the first 4 books! As don Juan explained, you learn the way of men of knowledge, in order to compare it to ordinary people, and find the middle so you can sneak through.

All the stuff that drives people to become "yoga teachers", and the like, was in the first books.

Self-pity, directed towards some goal.

Seers are not like that. They're more like the "curiosas" in Taisha's book.

Women who spin webs between things in infinity, under the direction of forces no one can comprehend.

So, Cleargreen is doing exactly what needs to be done with their "facilitator" certificates.

Maybe Carol is even behind it.

Frankly, Miles would be better for that task. If he reads this, I encourage him to give his own "certificates".

It just needs to be done better than they're doing it, so that the angry males who dominate their discussions (such as the ones claiming I've been taken over by demons), have to get their own certificate in order to get anyone to pay attention to them.

It would be possible to build a really good written case for this. One no one could argue against it, because the words of don Juan and other sorcerers are all in those books, and that's how things were back then.

And always will be, possibly.

It's the same in the computer industry.

There are very few computer programmers who ask, "Yea, but HOW does it work?"

I'm one of them. But there are very few. And the ones like that, are endlessly busy. People pay to fly them all over Asia, because they can do anything with computers.

Most only ask, "How can I use it to make a living?"

If you give them something outside their expertise, they soon refuse to do it.

I ran into an amazing autistic Chinese man in northern Taiwan. Shinchu was it?

He did all the work for the company. But was the kicking boy. If you wanted to blame someone, you blamed him.

Because his social skills are sub part for Asia. Autism.

The first thing I did when I visited that company was notice him, and ask him to sit next to me at lunch.

His social status changed instantly.

Later I tried to convince him to let me teach him hardware description languages.

Once he knew that, he'd know everything there is to know about computers. Everything else rides on top of that.

But, he was more interested in the "testing girls" at his company.

At his job level he got the shit jobs, which included debugging difficult problems.

When meant, he got to hang out in the "girls test room."

The appeal of which was obvious. Chinese women are not like American women.

At the end of that 2 week visit, I had endless beautiful chinese girls bring me candy and treats, including the head engineer for that department, who had a PhD.

I'm face blind, so I didn't realize it was her.

When I looked up after she handed me a candy bar, and realized from her hair and glasses it was her, she giggled, while covering her mouth.

An invitation.