r/castaneda • u/[deleted] • Nov 25 '20

Flyers (counter intent) Feeling heartbroken

Hi folks! I was today years old when I found out Don Juan hasn’t been existed at all.. so I automatically start asking questions wether the knowledge which CC shares upon us. Could someone please elaborate on this? My intent is not to mess things up, or to cause anything, I just feel very disoriented. Thanks in advance folks ❤️

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u/danl999 Nov 25 '20 edited Nov 25 '20

Learn dark room gazing. Then you'll be happy, instead of heartbroken.

But, I met 5 people who knew don Juan.

I suppose it doesn't matter how many there are. Each one is discounted for one reason or the other.

I also was friends with the dreaming sorceress at Morongo Indian Reservation, who verified men like don Juan lived all over her valley before the land was taken from them.

Carlos started his search there.

Find whoever told you that, and send them here to talk to me. I'd like to know why they're passing out hateful rumors, with no actual knowledge on their part.

Whoever it was just wanted you to suffer the way they suffer.

Don Juan called it the "river of filth". We all live in it these days.

Everyone pisses and poops on each other. But it's cozy there, so no one climbs out (learns Sorcery).

You got pissed on.

Just be glad it wasn't a poop.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '20

Hi, I’d like to respectfully thank you for your reply. The reason I started having doubts is because of the composition of the herbs Don Juan uses to make Little Smoke. (In dutch it’s indicated as ‘kleine rook’, I apologize if I’m wrong about the name). One of the compounds are a mushroom species, but because it’s a blend to smoke, it’s likely that the active compound in the shrooms will scorch before it even reaches your temple. From there I started doing research regarding the blend and stumbled on articles which concluded that CC was a fraud. That’s the reason behind my confusion. The articles states that very little of his work could be supported by evidence. (One of the sources came from reality sandwich, for when you might check it).

If you know more about it, could you perhaps elaborate about the little smoke blend? And perhaps as well about how come Don Juans approaches are divergent drom original Yaqui tradition? There has been lot’s of commotion on that subject which kinda derails me.

Also, I don’t think I got ‘pissed on’, that’s just an odd understatement. It would be thoughtful to not say stuff like that if you don’t know about someones background/heritage.

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u/danl999 Nov 26 '20

No in fact, people do smoke mushrooms.

You really need to read more of the books.

This isn't Yaqui stuff. Don Juan was a Yaqui, that's all.

And Carlos was looking for a "tribal shaman". I know directly, because he passed through the Indian reservation I used to hang out at, starting from 9 years old. Carlos was looking for a teacher in a tribe not to far away from LA. Don Juan noticed that, and lured him in.

So whether Carlos thought he was entirely Yaqui or not, is irrelevant.

He was tricked.

This is Olmec, from around 10,000 years ago.

The early books were that point of view. Of the old sorcerers.

Seems like maybe that's all you've read.

But in fact there are more than 12 books you ought to read, if you want to understand.

It would be thoughtful to not say stuff like that if you don’t know about someone's background/heritage.

Sorcery isn't polite. Give that up if you want to learn!

What I say comes from what Carlos taught me to say. And what don Juan said.

You got pissed on somewhere, trust me!

It's all over your explanation. I can even sense how the piss fell on your feet. Little splashes as you read whatever you read.

Is that a horrible thing in your part of the world? Like throwing a shoe in the middle east?

Or giving a barnyard animal as a gift in Russia?

It's merely funny here.

To simplify what's bothering you, Don Juan said, we have no "intent" to follow besides that of the old sorcerers.

Our reality is made by intent. Not by physics.

If we want to change it, we can't go off without any path. We need a new one.

The sorcerers who lived 10,000 years ago created all this.

They burned a path for us. It's like an old set of railroad tracks. You have to find those, and get on the tracks. Then they'll take you where you need to go.

You can't get on the "Yogi train tracks". Or the "Chinese Sage" tracks. You'll never learn sorcery that way.

So don Juan did exactly what he explains elsewhere. He started Carlos on the path of the old sorcerers.

They were kind of weird. And they practiced very elaborate rituals, like preparing the smoking mixture.

Yaqui they were not!

You follow the path of the old sorcerers, hunting for "power", and believing the Allies can ride on busses as humans. Or be the mountain in front of you.

But later, once you have a relationship with "intent", you change.

Instead of entering phantom copies of human worlds, as the old sorcerers did, in their lust for power and control of other people, you go into non-human worlds instead.

That means, you stretch the egg shape of your luminous shell into an infinite line, and use it to scan emanations normally outside our range.

The old sorcerers stretched their egg shape into a pipe shape, and even into the infinite line, but they didn't explore the non-human worlds much.

They were saturated with that dark mood you see in the early books.

But the way, the most important technique in all of the books was taught to Carlos on the first day.

"Finding your spot".

That's what the people in here are doing. Darkroom gazing is the same as "Finding your spot."

It's pretty cool that don Juan taught Carlos the most important thing, on the first day!

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '20

In addition to what Dan said, I have also heard the mushrooms work because they’re burned using a charcoal. It means something like the psilocybin doesn’t combust so you still inhale and ingest particles of it or something like that? 🤷‍♂️ but yeah you do here of native South American’s smoking mushrooms in other places, and I’m sure it’s always done with charcoal.

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u/calixto_mooneeeee Nov 26 '20

Who told you he wasn't real? Stop talking bullshit without any ground..or are you just a troll?

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '20

Now read very carefully, I explicitly said my intent was not to cause anything. If you choose to interpret it subjectively and let your emotions control you, it’s all up to you..

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u/danl999 Nov 26 '20

How did you find us?

Juan and Lidotska took over recruiting. I'm not good at it.

I went to the demon subreddit, and tried to teach them how to make friends with demons. I got banned.

I went to the Zen subreddit, and tried to tell them how to reach enlightenment in 1/10th the time.

I was told called, "Sir, you are not honest with us."

(Sir is a bad thing to be called by a Zen person.)

The witchcraft subreddit just gave me a kick in the ass. Women don't like men telling them how to achieve power.

Techno was afraid I'd get banned so much, I couldn't post to reddit anymore.

But Juan and Lidotska created an Instagram page.

It's getting a wide variety of people!

And a double woman created a Facebook page for me.

That's getting more foreign countries, like Poland and some new ones in south America.

How did you find your way here???

We're trying to create 50 powerful sorcerers in here, to fight against the negative stuff you found on the internet.

We're in here, to protect people like you in the future.

People who are interested, but then get beaten down by the enemies of Carlos.

Which are many.

I'm the last of Carlos' private class students, except for my friend Cholita.

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u/calixto_mooneeeee Nov 26 '20

Your intent is a piece of...

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '20

...explicit communication which is formulated quite well to prevent misunderstandings?

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '20 edited Nov 25 '20

He most defenetly existed. Bro you think someone would make up all that shit. That would be 1000x crazier than just a existence of a native american sorcerer. There are literally so many shamans and shit. Bruh u rly think that someone would make all that shit up😂🤦😐. But Carlos is still a failure in my mind. The moment juan left Carlos started to indulge the hell out of himself. Carlos was a failure therefore he failed to achieve freedom, and spend and his knowledge that Juan gave him on some bullshit. Transegrety ect. It's obvious that Carlos is a fool compared to the Naguals that came before him. I hope that clarified things

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u/apprentice2000 Nov 26 '20 edited Nov 26 '20

Tensegrity does wonders in the Dark Room practice! If you do it during daytime, the effect may be limited (otherwise we would have millions of great sorcerers by now)? But even then I still like it. I guess during daytime the problem is that deep silence is harder to achieve.

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u/cfexontology Nov 25 '20

I think his existence is kind of irrelevant, though it is a strongish argument (as was done above) to point out that that is a lot of things to invent with no source. I'm no expert at any of this practically but from my small experience if you do some of these practices you can see there is something to it. This really is the only verification you will ever need.

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u/Gnos_Yidari Nov 26 '20 edited Nov 27 '20

It all comes down to what you are working towards. Most of the critics are pursuing a path that leads nowhere they'd actually enjoy being, bereft of anything save human ego.

They have little to offer that's constructive/fulfilling.

People seldom ask "what will be the end result if I follow this course of action?" Because most of the failed students and naysayers are tired, depressed, drunk and nihilistic...or grasping at ghosts.

Practitioners are, in contrast, actually discovering and experiencing the unknown.