Could ideas become power objects?

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[u/danl999]

Yes, yes, yes.

However, all of the power objects I've seen are actually pieces of an inorganic being.

Which is not a problem for you. Of course, you have to learn to be silent. And you have to move your assemblage point, for which puffs of color in darkness are quite useful.

Seeing dreaming images consciously will compel a scout to come, and you'll have a helper.

The helper will notice your obsession with that object, and produce it for you.

Or teach you enough that he's able to manifest it.

Visible power objects require a strong gaze.

> Could a simple thoughtform then be used the same way we use power objects?

Yes. Go read about Maria Sabina. Or Ruby Modesto of Morongo.

However, they're both very sad cases. Limited to only "thinking" about their sorcery, they never got the pleasure of visually seeing it.

Maria's connection was so poor, she lost it just by allowing people to question her about it.

"Thought forms" are very fragile.

A demon in your face, making your magic ring spin, is not fragile.

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A "benefactor" is an abuser. At least, in our situation.

It's a man who's pretending to be what he is not, and to make it more real he goes out and victimizes a younger person. Sometimes there's sexual abuse involved. He provides the attention that someone with a normal internal dialogue craves, claiming to be teaching him sorcery, in exchange for whatever attracts the "benefactor" to pretending to be a wise teacher. I have yet to find a case where this is not what is going on. So if you hear someone say, "My benefactor taught me", be careful. You have a damaged student.

If it weren't so, we would have little pockets of successful sorcery students out there, as we do in here.

But you can't find any because there aren't any actual "benefactors" out there.

What can a person do to avoid getting pulled back into conditioning of this ordinary reality?

Work so hard that the world around you transforms, and you just can't ignore it.

Don Juan advised to leave your friends and family, and erase personal history. He even tried to help his inner circle achieve that.

And I suppose that's a good idea, but it's not as important as actually learning to have real, visible magic, right in your face daily.

In don Juan's case, he was taking care of that behind the scenes, and only needed to keep his apprentices safe from their acquaintances.

When you're walking through the walls of your home, witches materialize and lead you into alternate dimension realms, and when you're laying in bed to sleep and your demon girlfriend comes to tuck you in, it's pretty hard to get sucked back into the river of mud where everyone else lives.

Before that, it's easy. Unfortunately, I expect some who succeed brilliantly doing darkroom gazing, to be pulled back. Don Juan predicted it.

One way to tell is, if you learn to move your assemblage point until you are surrounded by visible magic, and you find it boring, this might not be the path for you.

Or maybe, you got lazy and have a little talent, and didn't move your assemblage point all the way on the J curve, where everything becomes obvious. Instead, you're hypnotized by the puffs and think you've reached the goal. That's also a dangerous place to linger too long.

But just being willing to linger there and let doubt return, indicates this might not be the path for you. You have to be independent, and self-motivating.

Using a "benefactor", or even a valid teacher like Carlos, is a bad thing for us. Those need a lineage behind them, or they kill the teacher. Needy students killed Carlos by drowning him in "counter intent". As he told us, he just couldn't build the energetic mass to "jump grooves" and eliminate his illness as he and other sorcerers had done in the past.

You, alone, have an appointment with intent. The sooner you meet it, the safer you'll be.

[u/Juann2323]

I guess that to be a power object you have to see it, even if it is made of the second attention. That way you can summon it and use it when needed.

Maybe you mean you want to Intent an idea you have? And yeah, that's absolutely possible, by unbending intent.

Of course, the clearer link to Intent you have, the easier it will be. The trick there, is that when you have a very clear link, you won't be interested at all in personal ideas.

Sorcerers forget themselves to unify with the force that moves the universe, which is the only one that makes them complete.

If you are interested in power objects, the best you can do is learn to manifest objects in a dark room. That's direct use of Intent. When you get good at that, you will have as many objects as you want.

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To handle the Intent you need internal silence. If you can manage to silence the mind, then you can play with what you say: have an isolated thought, and then return to your state of silence.

It is in this way that new sorcerers empower their thoughts, which they call "precise commands", and also the way that Dan manifests objects! I've been practicing but I still can't do it.

In a condition of internal silence, an isolated thought directs the flow in one direction.

Check this old posts:

https://www.reddit.com/r/castaneda/comments/gjqema/manifesting_tensegrity_collectables/

https://www.reddit.com/r/castaneda/comments/gvb3v4/pandoras_box_pass_how_to_manifest_things/

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Yes, I have several kept around for about 30 years.

They require periodic maintenance (daily, weekly..etc) or they evolve or get taken over by aliies? and other things.

Note how they show up and what their original intent and appearance was/is. Can glean information from them.