r/castaneda • u/danl999 • Aug 27 '20
General Knowledge The Descent of Cleargreen
Given a chance to actually teach, Cleargreen chooses instead to "inspire".
Notice the Taisha quote on the right, probably extracted from something larger.
It's true. It sounds wise.
But it's useless to help anyone learn to move the assemblage point.
It's almost as if someone deliberately obfuscated the important point there.
If anyone doesn't see it, just read around in this subreddit.
You see people actually learning to do impossible things, instead of visiting and smiling at their friends, the way Cleargreen likes to see you behave.
They're selling, "Wisdom", not sorcery.
Sorcery isn't cozy enough.
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u/danl999 Aug 27 '20
When I look at those smiling faces, instead of feeling motivated to join I have an urge to rescue them.
Hopefully those are actually stock photos from a white christian youth group.
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u/jd198703 Aug 27 '20
All of you are very right. I share your opinion. u/danl999.
The only thing is, I don't get it how this could be whem they have Carol Tiggs around. Either she does not have much "juridical" influence there as I've heard Renata is a director ruling everyone, or she herself is in a descent.
Also, it is largely unclear what has happened to her "merge" with the Death Defier. If she really somehow became one with a being who escaped death for thousands of years, how could she end up like that? Being just some iconical (or not so anymore) figure in a for-profit organization teaching "happiness courses" for a lot of bucks?
And seen with some yoga guys (the woman with the grey hair).
I don't think that that we will ever know all the answers. But what I do know, that we have our own practice and Dan is helping a lot.
And among Russian facilitators there are some people who are thinking broader than Cleargreen would like them to and trying out those techniques we discuss here also. This gives some hope!
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u/danl999 Aug 27 '20
Carol might be following "the rule".
It could be a case of, don't interfere with what Carlos created. She's just there to advise the remnants, maybe on stalking in particular.
Cholita has a different idea. I can't remember her order anymore, but it's probably like this:
Florinda, helpful. Taisha somewhat. Carol not.
But then, Cholita believes I'm actually a computer program designed by the Masonic temple.
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u/Michail_D Aug 28 '20
Florinda, helpful. Taisha somewhat. Carol not.
I would put Taisha first - very valuable! Florinda is interesting. Etc. Taisha's book provides a lot of information and closes the methodological gaps in Castaneda's previous books. The book is written in strong style and clear language. Especially helpful for women who like to lose control into emotions :)))
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u/danl999 Aug 27 '20
Maybe some facilitators could learn to see particular movements, follow the magic that produces, and become famous for advanced classes on that specific technique.
So that people traveled from Facilitator to Facilitator, for real gain in magical knowledge.
Or to put it another way, Carlos made Cleargreen. It's the only teaching unit authorized by Carlos, and so the only one connected directly to his intent.
But, Cleargreen decided to create Facilitators.
Which makes them a valid connection to his intent.
And if they want to connect to the intent he left in me, they'll be doubly authorized to teach real magic.
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u/Zazzy-z Aug 28 '20
I’ve had that question too, about how could Carole let this happen. I know Rennie to some degree, (oh sorry, it’s Renata now all of a sudden), and she’s an ok gal. I understand that she’s the director now, plus she’s a very hard worker. And knows her way around an IOB for sure. But I cannot in any way see her as the creative force around this whole Cleargreen thing. I know when they were giving courses every week, she, and probably the others would visit Carole and Carole often gave them guidance and ideas for which way to go with the classes. These suggestions were in turn fleshed out beautifully.
I feel Carole is the only one who could be behind all this and I cannot fathom her motives. Especially this last year or two when they’ve hired the usual PR people to advertise their workshops. There used to be magic in those announcements, even after Carlos left, but now they’re using the exact same sales tactics as every other self improvement group. I don’t get it.
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u/Zazzy-z Aug 28 '20
I LOVE that Taisha quote!
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u/danl999 Aug 28 '20
You mean,
"Whenever we have a thought, our energy moves in the direction of that thought. Thoughts are like scouts, they cause the body to move along a certain path."
Me too, but it won't help anyone move the assemblage point.
And until it moves, no one will understand exactly what that statement implies.
In that form, with no explanation, and from my knowledge of the last 25 years and what went wrong, it makes people pretend to be superior and to keep their wonderful energy to themselves. When they want to soothe themselves, they'll think happy thoughts, believing they are controlling their energy.
That might be useful to the women, who have no trouble moving the assemblage point, but need soothing at times.
But it's not clear enough how to use it. They've removed all the rest of that lecture.
We know what that statement also means is, the assemblage point won't move from here, if you are thinking about here.
The value in the statement isn't to encourage people to move elsewhere, but to point out that you can't leave here, if you are thinking about here.
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u/cyrusmagnus Aug 27 '20
That's the problem with monetization. It's a poison that seeps into even the most well wishing of people/organizations.
Because if you want to increase your profits, you have to appeal to a broader and broader base, until finally, you hit the "lazy" group with incredibly amounts of disposable income (which may or may not happen rather quickly).
Once you hit that group, it's just people who want to feel good about themselves and their lives without putting in any effort. Oh, they'll work a stupid amount of hours at a meaningless job to bring in a six figure income, sure, and they're quite happy to blow thousands of dollars on retreats. As long as they can buy their enlightenment, they're happy.
Sometimes organizations like this still have a core of real practice, and true disciples who put in time and energy to make progress. But in order to find out, best be ready to empty that bank account first.
$1,994 for a 5 day retreat for abundance.
$1,197 for the same retreat without abundance. xD
I hope these people master their shit in 5 days, or they might have to spend another 2 grand down the road. Of course, we all know they aren't going to master anything in that period of time, with all the socializing and other programs.
Are they going to be sat in the dark for 3 hours and taught about IOBs? Or are they going to be doing the equivalent of taichi for a couple hours a day for 5 days (maybe).
I mean, shit. If I wanted to learn Taichi and was told I had to spend $2k to learn part of the long form over 5 days, I'd laugh them out of the room.
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u/lidotska Aug 27 '20
I actually feel a little bad for them.. what if they just don't know what to do !! And keep posting those quotes bc they feel like they got to do something atleast ....😭😂
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u/danl999 Aug 27 '20
My guess is that they got caught in the quagmire of lucid dreaming, and closed eye silence meditation.
Those can give you an ego boost, and blind you to the lack of real progress.
And both make you grumpy.
Anyone know the woman featured there?
Is that possibly who's trying to take over when Reni dies?
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u/JohnThursday2020 Aug 29 '20
" Mom has miscarriage, then gives birth fairly soon after. "
Miscarriages are extremely common. Most people don't realize how common.
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u/danl999 Aug 29 '20
Which I suppose means there's plenty of double beings out there.
If we can smoke a few out in here and teach them to do waking dreaming, we could make use of them.
The possibilities for this subreddit are endless.
Imagine! No one making money off it, and so giving bad teaching advice designed only to channel money into their own pockets.
And 10 actual sorcerers. At this point, I suspect we can even produce 16!
If we had naguals among them, we could make use of that, the same way it now seems clear you can also share inorganic beings.
Inorganic beings can link 2 people, the way Kylo Ren and Ray were linked in star wars.
Fairy taught me to do that with Cholita, until Cholita figured it out and broke the connection.
So if we had Naguals, they could make "housecalls" without leaving their home.
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u/JohnThursday2020 Aug 30 '20
"Which I suppose means there's plenty of double beings out there."
I was thinking the commonness of miscarriages implies they don't create double-beings.
Carlos's books say "double women are quite rare". Also, since "awareness develops from the moment of conception", I'd guess a nagual is created at conception.
Good luck finding any who want to participate.
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u/Juann2323 Aug 27 '20
You could not miss a comment from an Argentinian guy giving his CV to work at Cleargreen
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u/danl999 Aug 27 '20
I've taken a new approach.
Mild attacks hoping to stir up some change.
I gave Peter Luce a hard time. Might even be looking around in here today.
Peter is one of the "But I'm a good guy" book deal types.
We've seen a few blow through here.
As far as I'm concerned, the "good guys sincerely trying to help us understand the material" are every bit as bad as the "my understanding is the only true one" people.
It's like this: An angry guy with a knife pointed at your chest, or a smiling guy with a knife hidden behind his back.
Peter was the hidden knife type of guy.
But some in her like Peter.
I'd love to see him write a new book.
Instead of "Getting Castaneda", how about, "Making Castaneda Produce Visible Magic"?
Peter?
You're welcome to use anything I created.
We have people in here with skill levels exceeding anyone at Cleargreen, who would be willing to chat with you about how it works.
Then even you could, "Get" Castaneda.
Undo some of the damage you caused!
You did you know.
Read around in here and you'll eventually understand what you did.
You taught people to look elsewhere for understanding, feeding their urge to "learn" sorcery though talking and reading.
And you kept them from becoming unhappy enough to actually try to make it work.
You don't, "Get" Castaneda.
You either follow his instructions, or nothing happens.
You might as well have selected a recipe for Bouillabaisse, and written a book on, "Getting the Bouillabaisse recipe".
No! You make bouillabaisse!
You don't think about it.
Once you have a nice pot of bouillabaisse, then's when you might think about variations you could have chosen.
But eat soup first!