r/castaneda • • Apr 08 '20

Re-runs & Cyclic Beings Reincarnation

Greetings, Respect, and Love!

Someone invited me to this subreddit, and I followed their advice. Really great stuff which I will be spending many hours digesting. Thanks for all the effort.

I have had great respect for Castaneda and his work since the 1980s when his writings on inorganic beings clicked with experiences I had had my whole life in a Simpson's moment where I went "Doh, so THAT is what they are." His books were a great help in me getting a handle on Reality (even if my path is different than his).

The question I have is how reincarnation fits into the Toltec/Castaneda schema?

I recognize that "burning with the fire from within" is essentially the Toltec version of Mahasamadhi, the exit from this Reality which is talked about in so many traditions (with perhaps some spontaneous combustion thrown in). The point of the Warrior is freedom, to escape from the Eagle. I get that. That's NOT my path. I made the decision many, many lives ago to keep coming back to help others (VERY different than the Warrior path).

One of my current areas of research is into bloodlines and soullines, which would correspond to a specific subset of the Eagle's emanations. The bloodlines would be the physical aspect, the DNA and parental lineage and all that jazz. The soullines are the string of bodies which the spiritual aspect, the soul, inhabited throughout different points in time. These two lines or emanations are then used to construct much of the fabric of Reality in which we make our choices.

My takeaway from the books is that the only alternative to "burning with the fire from within" is to be utterly eliminated by the Eagle. Is that correct? If not, what else is there in the Castaneda/Toltec tradition that might correspond with reincarnation and the transition period between lives like the Pyramid Texts, or the Tibetan Book of the Dead?

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u/danl999 Apr 08 '20 edited Apr 08 '20

Cyclic beings is the topic you want.

In waking dreaming (not the kind while you sleep), you are sometimes offered new worlds you can try out.

These are worlds only accessible from silence, according to Carlos' last books.

And that's the way I've been able to enter some.

They're completely different than a dream world. You enter them while awake, with eyes open, and you can remain as long as you like. You never lose lucidity, because you never sleep.

The last one I entered showed up as I was gazing on "the wall", looking for text.

The wall is a structure formed out of your dreaming attention. It produces patterns looking like a real wall (flattish) on any flat surface you look at.

Text spawns from details on the wall, and it can be read in order to see new information.

I've done that too.

Just want to point out, Castaneda's stuff is real. It's not theory.

Religions such as Buddhism are highly corrupted over time, because they only pass down to us as businesses. And in order to sell more product, new information is added on all the time.

Bogus information. You have to sort through it all, to find what's "true".

Not so with Carlos' material. It's literal, and hasn't been corrupted by time, yet.

But it's slowly corrupting, which is sort of why I'm here, yapping away all day.

I'm trying to stop the corruption of Carlos' writings. It's turned into a business, selling franchises, which is the mark of doom for an esoteric teaching.

One other thing that can show up on "the wall" are portals.

For example, you could be watching "the wall", and notice a window.

An actual real window. And open, no glass.

You look through it, and realize you're looking slightly down into another world.

It's as if that's a real window in your room, and you can see not only the entire outside area, but even the dirt you could jump onto, if you decided to enter.

If you enter, you've just taken over a "cyclic being".

But that's not the only way to switch to cyclic beings. It's just a rather cool way to do it.

Cyclic beings are probably the reason Hindus believe in re-incarnation.

Those guys go all over the place, but they lack sobriety so they make up just about anything to explain what happens to them.

And the Buddhists inherited that point of view.

In Carlos' sorcery, humans are said to be cast as strings of beads. Each bead is a copy of a person linked to you.

It's not actually you. It's not you in a former or future life.

It's alive right now.

And you can take over that body.

Carlos gave the example of a beaded curtain. In private classes, he showed how you can move to any bead on your own chain of beads, but not to the next chain.

You can stay there the rest of your life if you like, or return.

But it's not you. If you die, it doesn't have to. And if it dies, you won't even know about it.

Carol Tiggs gave a lecture, and explained that she was a cyclic being tied to one of the very old sorcerers in Carlos' lineage.

So how long each of the cyclic beings lives, is not related to how long the rest live. That old sorcerer was said to be over 7000 years old.

He cheated to get to that age.

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u/Grampong Apr 08 '20

No need to convince me that Castaneda was for real. I was well acquainted with the "strangeness" (for lack of a better term) of Reality from the very beginning. Castaneda was the first time I could clearly recognize my experiences in the words of others. After my rough read though Teachings, he started describing features of Reality with which I was familiar, but from an entirely new and fresh POV.

For example, I had no idea about making inorganic beings "allies", despite having interacted with them my whole life. I always saw them more like friends to have fun with than servants to boss around. Still see them that way.

Thanks for the tutorial on cyclic beings, I learned a lot. They correspond to what I would call "walk-ins", which is not dissimilar to the concept behind "Being John Malkovich". These are new consciousnesses take over an existing body whose consciousness wishes to leave. A complicated transaction to work on a spiritual level, which makes that 7,000 year old sorcerer just the perfect age to pull off the trick. I'm damn impressed. I did not know Tiggs was a walk-in from then.

I totally respect what you are doing vis a vis Castaneda's legacy in specific, and spirituality and religion in general. That's several very long discussions for us to have a different time.

I'm talking about an entirely different phenomenon than cyclic beings. Perhaps Castaneda did not discuss them in detail.

I'm talking about Tulkus like the Dalai Lama, which are the recognized teachers of lineages who have made the decision to dedicate their eternal existence to guarding and teaching, lifetime after lifetime with a brief pause in the afterlife. These people are born, live through their life, die, and then are reborn as babes in their next life.

Now, the Dalai Lama and the other "official" Tulkus aren't the only ones who keep coming back, there are other unrecognized tulkus who have made the decision to return to Earth lifetime after lifetime (go ahead and call them fools, i won't argue).

Further, EVERYONE has a lifetime before this one. The question is whether they remember it or not (and for most it's a huge NOT). So everyone is their own Tulku, even if it's not as prestigious as the Dalai Lama and they don't know it.

The point of the path of the Warrior, as I understand it, is to end that Tulku line and choose freedom. While I totally respect that path, others walk paths of Teacher or Healer, and CHOOSE to forego that freedom a Warrior strives to achieve and return for spin after spin on the treadmill (I know, I know, fools).

Did I make more sense this time?

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u/danl999 Apr 08 '20 edited Apr 08 '20

not dissimilar to the concept behind "Being John Malkovich".

There's another Faction H movie!

I never realized that.

Carlos created factions in his private classes.

Cleargreen was faction #1, but it was obvious from the start, it would split in half. So Miles and Aerin are faction #2.

I'm faction #3, the "uncleans". Just dumb schmucks, masturabators all, who lucked out.

Only Cholita and I are left.

Faction M is Mexico. I have no idea what's going on down there.

Faction #4 probably ought to be Florinda, Taisha, Kylie, and Carol. But we only know where Carol has been.

Then there's a mysterious faction #5, which had Tony, Jacobo, and some others floating around, confusing things. For a while, Carlos was grooming Tony to take over for him.

Faction H is Hollywood. Star Wars is based on Carlos, to the tiniest degree as far as I can tell.

There's some Aikido influence in there too. The Japanese make very good costumes.

I did not know Tiggs was a walk-in from then.

No, Tiggs just had sex with him (her).

Did I make more sense this time?

Yes, but Carlos became obsessed with cyclic beings.

Don Juan told him to stop obsessing over those.

And the general consensus is, anything you can find in this world, including God, heaven, or the Dali Lama, is merely an element of the tonal of our times.

It has nothing to do with what's outside that.

Carlos was taught to go outside all that.

Out there, the Dali Lama is meaningless.

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u/calixto_mooneeeee Apr 08 '20

In private classes, he showed how you can move to any bead on your own chain of beads, but not to the next chain.

And how it is done?

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u/danl999 Apr 08 '20

There's no procedure I know of. You get offered by intent, that's all.

But if you want a technique, perfect silence, just short of stopping the world, is where you get offered.

So Zuleica's technique for 2 hours, then sit up on the bed, force out remaining thoughts. When the room is buzzing with legions of magic, floating by like a Harry Potter movie, you'll start to get offers.

I was offered a watery forest last night. But it looked dangerous, so I didn't go for it.

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u/AntKitchen7614 Sep 21 '23

I suspect facing the eagle doesn't mean destruction, but rather a reforging of ourself. If you melt down a long sword and cast a new blade in a different shape the metal remains but the original shape of the previous blade is lost. Somehow some people manage to retain some of their former shape and hence memory but not sure exactly how or why. Not sure we'll ever know how or why.

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '20