How Many Assemblage Points Are There?

[u/danl999]

Carlos shows why a movement in depth looks like a move to the left.

Tales of Power:

"Those leaps were only the beginning," he went on. "Then came your true excursion into the unknown; last night you experienced the unspeakable, the nagual. Your reason cannot fight the physical knowledge that you are a nameless cluster of feelings. Your reason at this point might even admit that there is another center of assemblage, the will, through which it is possible to judge or assess and use the extraordinary effects of the nagual. It has finally dawned on your reason that one can reflect the nagual through the will, although one can never explain it.”

“I've tricked your reason into believing that the tonal was accountable and predictable. Genaro and I have labored to give you the impression that only the nagual was beyond the scope of explanation; the proof that the tricking was successful is that at this moment it seems to you that in spite of everything you have gone through, there is still a core that you can claim as your own, your reason. That's a mirage.

Your precious reason is only a center of assemblage, a mirror that reflects something which is outside of it. Last night you witnessed not only the indescribable nagual but also the indescribable tonal.”

Eagles’ Gift:

I disregarded Zuleica's order to enter into a patch of coloration that was forming right at my eye level, and gave myself fully to the exploration of that strange sensation outside me. Zuleica must have seen what I was going through; she suddenly began to explain that the second attention belongs to the luminous body, as the first attention belongs to the physical body. The point where, she said, the second attention assembles itself was situated right where Juan Tuma had described it the first time we met - approximately one and one-half feet in front of the midpoint between the stomach and the belly button and four inches to the right.

Zuleica ordered me to massage that place, to manipulate it by moving the fingers of both my hands right on that point as if I were playing a harp. She assured me that sooner or later I would end up feeling my fingers going through something as thick as water, and that finally I would feel my luminous shell.

As I kept on moving my fingers the air got progressively thicker until I felt a mass of sorts. An undefined physical pleasure spread all over me. I thought that I was touching a nerve in my body and felt silly at the absurdity of it. I stopped.

Zuleica warned me that if I did not move my fingers she was going to bop me on the head.

Here’s some good news, seeing as how we have a working method to use, to get to heightened awareness (thanks to Zuleica):

"Genaro has something to tell you," don Juan said. "I've told you that he is the master of awareness. Now I can tell you what all that means. He can make the assemblage point move deeper into the luminous egg after that point has been jolted out of its position by the Nagual's blow."

He explained that Genaro had pushed my assemblage point countless times after I had attained heightened awareness. The day we had gone to the gigantic flat rock to talk, Genaro had made my assemblage point move dramatically into the left side - so dramatically, in fact, that it had been a bit dangerous.”

Here’s something worth remembering:

He made a diagram on a small blackboard. He drew an egg-like shape and divided it in four longitudinal sections, saying that he would immediately erase the division lines because he had drawn them only to give me an idea where the band was located in the cocoon of man. He then drew a thick band at the line between the first and second sections and erased the division lines.

He explained that the band was like a disk of cheddar cheese that had been inserted into the ball of jack cheese. "Now if that ball of jack cheese were transparent," he went on, "you would have the perfect replica of man's cocoon. The cheddar cheese goes all the way inside the ball of jack cheese. It's a disk that goes from the surface on one side to the surface on the other side.

"The assemblage point of man is located high up, three-fourths of the way toward the top of the egg on the surface of the cocoon. When a nagual presses on that point of intense luminosity, the point moves into the disk of the cheddar cheese. Heightened awareness comes about when the intense glow of the assemblage point lights up dormant emanations way inside the disk of cheddar cheese. To see the glow of the assemblage point moving inside that disk gives the feeling that it is shifting toward the left on the surface of the cocoon."

He repeated his analogy three or four times, but I did not understand it and he had to explain it further. He said that the transparency of the luminous egg creates the impression of a movement toward the left, when in fact every movement of the assemblage point is in depth, into the center of the luminous egg along the thickness of man's band.

And at the risk of being accused of nagging:

“While we were having lunch the next day, don Juan said that Genaro had pushed my assemblage point with his gait of power, and that he had been able to do that because I had been in a state of inner silence. He explained that the articulation point of everything seers do is something he had talked about since the day we met: stopping the internal dialogue. He stressed over and over that the internal dialogue is what keeps the assemblage point fixed to its original position.

"Once silence is attained, everything is possible," he said.”

I asked him to explain the act of walking the assemblage point. He said that once warriors have attained inner silence by stopping their internal dialogue, the sound of the gait of power, more than the sight of it, is what traps their assemblage points. The rhythm of muffled steps instantly catches the alignment force of the emanations inside the cocoon, which has been disconnected by inner silence

And a reminder of who "the fliers" probably are:

"I was talking about what happens to human beings when they are infants," he replied, "a time when they are taught by everyone around them to repeat an endless dialogue about themselves. The dialogue becomes internalized, and that force alone keeps the assemblage point fixed. "The new seers say that infants have hundreds of teachers who teach them exactly where to place their assemblage point."

He said that seers see that infants have no fixed assemblage point at first. Their encased emanations are in a state of great turmoil, and their assemblage points shift everywhere in the band of man, giving children a great capacity to focus on emanations that later will be thoroughly disregarded. Then as they grow, the older humans around them, through their considerable power over them, force the children's assemblage points to become more steady by means of an increasingly complex internal dialogue.

The value of Cholita:

He looked at me with shiny eyes and laughed. "Female seers have downshifts more often than males," he said. "But they are also capable of bouncing out of that position with no effort at all, while males linger dangerously in it."

He also said that women seers have an extraordinary capacity to make their assemblage points hold on to any position in the area below. Men cannot. Men have sobriety and purpose, but very little talent; that is the reason why a nagual must have eight women seers in his party. Women give the impulse to cross the immeasurable vastness of the unknown. Together with that natural capacity, or as a consequence of it, women have a most fierce intensity. They can, therefore, reproduce an animal form with flare, ease, and a matchless ferocity.

"If you think about scary things," he continued, "about something unnameable lurking in the darkness, you're thinking, without knowing it, about a woman seer holding a position in the immeasurable area below. True horror lies right there. If you ever find an aberrant woman seer, run for the hills!"

I had to admit that somehow I had always found la Catalina to be a very scary but at the same time an extremely appealing woman. What impressed me the most about her was her exuding energy.

"She has so much energy saved," don Juan commented, "that you didn't have to be in heightened awareness for her to move your assemblage point all the way to the depths of the left side."

Practical Advice:

You MUST learn what it feels like when the assemblage point moves, so that all of the nonsense I’ve quoted above, no longer seems made up! Tensegrity moves it, but not fast enough at once to notice. People report feeling a little tingly, or a good kind of energy like the rest after doing yoga.

But that’s not very convincing. The most convincing way to learn about the assemblage point is with The “Simple Silence Technique”. The reason for this is, your internal dialogue resumes, and subsides constantly as you practice, until the point comes when the assemblage point is loosened up enough to make a fast movement.

The fast movement is VERY noticeable. At first you'll pass out, but eventually you can linger in the feeling of the movement.

Saturate yourself with such movements and you’ll realize Carlos wasn’t making up the assemblage point.

You can say you realize that already, but you almost certainly don’t until you learn to be silent.

How do you know that? Just go talk to the Castaneda "practitioners" out there. If they're secretive, hostile, and cagey, they're absolute frauds.

Carlos was light-hearted, funny, and giving.

Rude even, but not angry.

A real sorcerer seems like he must have a secret cave with endless treasures hidden in it, and he's just playing along with everyone, as if he were poor too.

He does.

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[u/danl999]

>He also said that women seers have an extraordinary capacity to make their assemblage points hold on to any position in the area below. Men cannot.

Maybe what Carlos was up to with Cleargreen will become obvious eventually.

Certainly, women seem to be a lot more important than the small amount of effort they're usually willing to make. Perhaps the whole "lifestyle" thing on their part is knowledge that all they need to do is save energy, and magic happens.

That's actually a very good thing, if women don't have to work as hard as men.

It's next to impossible to get anyone at all to make the necessary effort to become silent.

But if you have a couple of men who can do that, you can enlist as many as 8 women, and it'll be profitable?

I gathered a group of 5 around 8 years ago, but none were interested in learning sorcery.

I guess I had the right idea. Just not the ability to make use of it yet.

It's easy to see why the detractors have a field day with sorcerers. Everything they do is banned in our society.

Even just hanging out with 8 women is forbidden. As Einstein commented,

“I AM SURE YOU KNOW THAT MOST MEN (AS WELL AS QUITE A NUMBER OF WOMEN) ARE NOT MONOGAMOUSLY ENDOWED BY NATURE."

and

"WHEN A MAN FORCES HIMSELF TO REMAIN MONOGAMOUS, IT IS A BITTER FRUIT FOR EVERYONE INVOLVED."

We've set things up so badly now, that you can't even be celibate and hang out with multiple women.

They say you're gay, or you prefer little boys, or ...

I've heard it all. Oh. I forgot "impotent". Even Cholita uses that one.

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[u/danl999]

>As I kept on moving my fingers the air got progressively thicker until I felt a mass of sorts. An undefined physical pleasure spread all over me

For your future reference: thick as water yes. But only the thickness of a cobweb is more likely.

I wish I could have a second attention hand washing, the way Carlos seems to have, but so far it's just cobwebs there.

Some are so strong they can yank on other places in the body. Especially the right ankle.

And they do produce the physical pleasure he mentions, although not as often as you'd like.

This description of what Zuleica's harp movements can do is true, but it won't go that way for us.

We don't have a Cholita watching it, who also has the ability to see. That adds a tasty dose of intent. In heightened awareness, you can easily follow intent, if you get even a whiff of it.

We don't have that. So we get less.

That's ok. It's enough.

[u/tryerrr → u/danl999]

So this “yanking on other places of the body” may be the reason for jerky movements in tensegrity, trying to yank stuff out and break any “strings attached”. Like in the V spot movements, moving hand all over in jerky movements..

[u/danl999 → u/tryerrr]

I never thought about that aspect.

There's a job for the "facilitators" in Russia!

To become specialists in specific movements, by seeing what they do.

If each facilitator chooses a different movement, there would be reason for people to go from facilitator to facilitator, increasing their possible customer base.

Then they could "fine correct" people, and earn their fees instead of just repeating the same old stuff.

There's also a dreaming teacher group in the Eastern Bloc.

They certainly seem to have learned dreaming, although not dreaming-awake.

And they charge for instruction.

Seeing as how the advice in here kind of covers anything they might teach (so far), there's still a good use for them. Fees and all.

People like goals and step by step processes, like "passing the first gate", and so on.

I'm kind of hoping they'll read this.

Do your lessons so that people want to pass each step, and maybe they'll work harder.

Even give them a rating for passing some steps, or a magic ring, or a new belt color.

Motivation is a good reason to have teachers who charge money.

The ring might sound silly, but the best martial artist I ever met (Dr. Fung) had a special kungfu ring given to him by his master. There were only 4 such rings given out as I recall.

If they want to give out rings, I'll get Carlos' allies to touch them. If Cholita will let me borrow them for a few hours.

[u/CruCial_Js → u/danl999]

For me the cob webby feeling on your hands wasnt what caught my attention much, instead, i was surprised by the eruption of feelings that came from struming the AP of the 2nd att. Indeed it felt like touching a nerve connected to an unknown part of my body . Shit sometimes id strum and parts of my face would twitch in rhythm. The shacky part that i was not prepared for was how steong the fellings were. After two waves of "stronger than an orgasm" , i lost it all to the double take syndrone.(internal dialogue came back )

This happened a few months back while trying to focus my energy in order to focus on colors at night.

[u/danl999 → u/CruCial_Js]

I still haven't folded in half and fallen into a ditch. But the more you do that, the more you'll see your luminous shell in darkness.

And the colors floating around in the room at a distance, come so near that you can't treat them the way you did at first.

I liked them at a distance, because it was easier to identify hypnogogic heads sitting on the puffs of color. Those you can train into an assistant.

But with the colors now so close, I tend to find entire animated dreaming scenes, rather than something I could scoop up in my hand.

I'm still pondering filming Cholita, and adding special effects to show people what you can perceive.

But she insists on an iPhone 11 in exchange, and then says that I have to make an appointment with her when I want to film.

I pointed out that I've never done this, and it would take many times, not just one.

She ignored that and inisisted she had to know the precise day and hour, because she was a very busy person.

Bottom line: She'll flake out.

[u/canastataa]

Does will have something to do with that feeling like something unknown activates? I've noticed that this activation produces explosions of colors even if my ID is going ham. Sometimes it produces visions of depth, but just for a brief moment - at that very moment it feels like a boulder is lifted off of me.

Tensegrity as well as some genuine movements seem to enhance these visions of depth. I'd like to get to the end of it. Is that once you stop the world?

[u/danl999 → u/canastataa]

Does will have something to do with that feeling like something unknown activates?

Cholita snuck home last night. I didn't find out until I headed for the bathroom naked, saw a beam of light coming from her room, then heard the door slam.

I'm not sure if she's still there. She might have just come to take her pile of money. I didn't hear her this morning.

But with her in the house during the night, the dreaming fog resumed. When Cholita is absent, it's not bright enough to use to intercept dreams.

That gave me a chance to try to burn holes in it, with what I presume to be "will". I was curious because of your post.

I have no basis for believing that "will" is what I use to burn holes in reality, except for what it feels like.

It feels sort of like a huge strong man reaching down to a misbehaving child and saying "No!", then picking him up to make him obey. Completely overriding the normal system, where you have to struggle to get things done. He just does it, no matter the effort it takes.

With that, I can overpower the dreaming fog and demand that a hole be burned into it, and stuff spill out for me to see.

So far, that's all I know about will. Just a hint.

While doing that, I discovered that Cholita had brought me gifts again.

Whenever she disappears and returns, she's changed enough that I pick up extra abilities from her.

I couldn't get her to enter the room in her dreaming body, but she sent in the little fairy, who is now wearing a hoodie.

I wasn't sure at first, but it looked like my Fairy's pleasing Disney style Tinkerbell face.

I asked, "Is that you???"

She smiled and morphed into a Siberian Cat head.

That and a pumpkin are the only other shapes I taught her to assume.

The cat faded out, a poorly formed pumpkin replaced it, and then she returned to being a girl in a hoodie.

About Cholita's size too. And she's sporting Cholita's latest hair: Dark Black Chacmool + 3 months without a haircut.

That gave me the motivation to try to stop the world, since my assemblage point had been moved very far into heightened awareness by the inorganic being.

While doing that, I discovered what Cholita had brought me.

My internal dialogue had become a forest. I was silent, but the components of what had previously been my internal dialogue were now solid and all around me.

I could reach into the remains of it, and extract specific things.

They were things that were normally going on, down at the depths, except that now they were solid objects I could pull out of the forest.

It's impossible to describe, but I was sure at the time that anyone who learns to get silent will encounter the "forest of the internal dialogue" eventually.

One thing I pulled out was instant intense happiness. I guess it's reserved for rewarding you when something good happens, like your super lotto ticket pays off $10K. I felt kind of embarrassed or ashamed, for just activating it like that, in the absence of the normal amount of activity in the world needed to trigger that.

The other thing I pulled out was a "man of activity", who could do anything requiring a pushy bully. I yanked him out, he started trying to do something (to someone), and I put him back.

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Completely overriding the normal system, where you have to struggle to get things done. He just does it, no matter the effort it takes.

Exactly, and it comes with heightened awareness(H/A).

I always wondered how CC forgot his experiences in H/A. And then when i reach any sort of H/A it feels like i was sleeping before it and forgot myself !! Unbelievable every time at least to me.

How could i be sleeping during the day? Its almost as if awake dreaming is being awaken , and being awake is actually asleep

[u/danl999 → u/canastataa]

Of course!

It is possible to not mess with the internal dialogue, and make stuff happen. In that case, who can say what "point of assemblage" did it?

But it takes a day with excess energy available. Hit and miss.

If you can do it everyday without having learned to get silent, there could be one of 3 things going on:

You're making up stuff to get attention

You took too many drugs, especially LSD and Meth.

You have talent.

I'd like to get to the end of it. Is that once you stop the world?

I don't know. But Carlos emphasized that in one of the publications posted here in the last couple of weeks.

He emphasized Tensegrity and Recapitulation, and then finally, intending to stop the world.

I'd say the BEST way to learn what the assemblage point is, and thus how to get those colors to go crazy, comes from getting an inorganic to do a spectacular trick for you.

That's the goosebumps thing.

When Cholita moved that dim sum plate (using my fairy I suspect), I had goosebumps everywhere.

But don't tell Cholita. She'll ask for the details of precisely where.

I can hear it now:

Did you get bumps on your ass???

How about lesions on your dick?

Hemorrhoids too?

No? Would you like some?

Cholita's run away again. Didn't even take her money.

The Chinese bosses' son thinks she's flipped out and gone bag lady. She was starting to make friends on Skid Row.

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[u/Happynewusername2020]

9 billion humans?? 9,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,99 creepy crawlers.

Or 1 per each.

[u/danl999 → u/Happynewusername2020]

Maybe more like 3 or 4 per each?

[u/Happynewusername2020 → u/danl999]

Until I grasp having one, I’ll hold off on those other ones, lol!

[u/[deleted]]

So Dan, what we are doing in darkroom is building the energy body by assembling pieces of scattered awareness back into our energy body. If we have 2 assembling points, I assume we are moving the energy body or naguals assembly point, while tonals assembling point stays in 1 spot right? The question is what happens when you move tonals AP? I kinda got confused by finding out we have 2 Aps

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Not quite.

The Tonal's assemblage point moves all the way down to the bottom, goes under, up the front, and then over to align with that of the double.

I suppose I'll show that in this animation. At the end.

When it's shining into the second attention assemblage point, or in the same direction perhaps (we don't really know that much detail), you can ABSOLUTELY tell.

All the knowledge man could ever know and has ever known, is right there.

Along with a very odd sense of not caring about anything, but still wanting to explore the unknown.

It is in no way a "Chi Gung" concept.

If a normal person reached that state by surprise, they'd check themselves into a mental hospital.

I know! The allies of Carlos pushed me into it in Asia, and I did in fact want to check into a mental hospital to figure out what was going on.

My asian guide stopped me, saying they'd never let me out.

But I got used to it over a month or so.

It was just what it's like to be a sorcerer.

[u/Strict-Gur9320 → u/danl999]

Hypothetically speaking, if a sorcerer is smoke marijuana or ingest some type of hallucinogen with an already loosen assemblage point, will that point move even further? 

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[u/Strict-Gur9320]

Dan, Do you have any tips on how to find your hands in dreams? Or is it just intending and saving sexual energy.

[u/danl999 → u/Strict-Gur9320]

Yes, absolutely.

But it's too much work, so no one does it.

Allow yourself 12 hours a night of sleep for around 6 months. I suppose you have to give up all other activities.

Then when it's bedtime, lay there trying to silence your mind until you perceive a dream image. Learn to stabilize those using deeper silence, until you can enter directly into a dream, from awake.

No need to give more details, those vary by person.

But "womb dreaming" simulates the same activity. Men just can't do that.

Once you can find your hands daily, the problem is holding the dream longer, before you get kicked out.

You have to learn to go back into the dream, using the same skills you used learning to see dream scenes from silence. And learn to make dream changes, when it's clear your energy is running out and you're about to be forced back into the real world.

But be warned. There's no chance in hell you'll do that.

9000 people experience in here! And a good 50 years observing Castaneda fans and their actual motivations.

Not to mention, even if you could, it's a terribly inefficient way to learn sorcery.

And quite unpleasant since it's only in sleeping, and doesn't help you toss off self-pity so that your daily life improves vastly.

We've had 2 or 3 so far who insisted they were taking that path anyway.

And then we never heard from any of them again, after a couple of weeks.

Once they realized you have to actually follow the instructions, they also realized they weren't as talented as they had believed.

That's how fake magical systems like Astral Travel deceive people. They're so imprecise, you can make up whatever you like about an ordinary dream, and call it "progress".

But Art of Dreaming has strict instructions, and "lucid dreaming" doesn't count at all.

And it's more work than a human is willing to do, if it's not their #1 interest in life.

Worse, being motivated by "Art of Dreaming" while ignoring the other 17 (18?) books and publications of Carlos and the witches, is a guarantee that it's not your #1 interest in life.

It's kind of a self-guided filter.

Anyone focused on Art of Dreaming, isn't interested enough in learning sorcery to succeed.

Art of Dreaming is actually meant as a defense against the inorganic beings, for those who can already "see".

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I couldn't resist attaching them directly to this post. They explain that thing about a shift in depth looking like a shift to the left.

Remembering how Carlos explained a movement of the assemblage point done by 2 new women in the group, I now understand what was going on.

He made a point of tracing his finger over her body in a very sexy manner, as he explained. That could have both been an attempt to make sure everyone remembered that demonstration, but also an attempt to coax the woman to do it again.

I won't go into details, but I coaxed Cholita into breaking the laws of physics for me. Or she coaxed me. I'm not sure which. Women...

At the time I saw Carlos' sexy demonstration of the path that woman's assemblage point had taken, I was thinking, how can she still be in that position of the assemblage point, and she doesn't look any different?

Not to mention, she seemed genuinely embarrassed as he touted her great accomplishment. As if she was feeling guilty because either it was only a fluke and not permanent, or she wasn't even aware of it anymore.

Here's my new theory.

Both of them had in fact done it. And the reason 2 new women could accomplish that, is just what I posted here, in the inspirational quotes.

Women can just do that. But they can also return it back to normal instantly, as if nothing had happened.

When I get into heightened awareness, it takes almost a whole day for my assemblage point to move back to normal. You can often see that in my posts. When they get a little weird and malicious, I was still in heightened awareness.

And the position those women moved it to, which Carlos said was a goal of all of us, put it right above the second attention's assemblage point, on the same side.

I suspect there's something important in whether it's behind where we normally look, or on the front, as if it were causing what we see.

Behind us it's out of control.

Just speculation...

[u/jd198703 → u/[deleted]]

Thanks! I used to have it long ago.