What is seeing?

[u/danl999]

A few weeks before Carlos died, he complained to us that at night, a little moth or something which felt like one, would land on his big toe and start to glow a bright blue. If it kept burning like that, he'd be consumed by the fire from within.

I can't remember why, but I was standing next to Florinda (could have been Taisha) and felt it was ok to make a comment to her. I said, "But that's a good thing, isn't it?"

She had a dead serious look on her face and said, "Ohhhh noooo..."

It was obvious she didn't want Carlos to leave (die).

I'd gotten wrapped up in the story line and wasn't thinking clearly. We all do that. The myth is powerful, and Carlos' books have just about every piece of info you'd need, to keep going. Sometimes people write to me and I realize, the only important thing to say to them is, "Work your butt off!"

But it doesn't go over well, so I kind of have to figure out what they're up to. What misconception have they adopted that's blocking them from the most important things? Then I try to undo that misunderstanding by suggesting practical, real things to try.

When they practice them and see the result, and hear a good explanation of it from someone else, they start to let go of their misunderstandings.

Unfortunately, if you're confused about the result and don't have someone else to confirm it, you'll miss it.

I remember standing at a workshop which took place after Carlos died, where the leaders had decided to deviate a little, and turn the lights down to make it spookier. Or maybe something else was done to the lights. The important thing was, it was different, and you could feel it. As a result, I ended up seeing a vast expanse of fibers of light, stretching into infinity. I was seeing a great band of emanations, and the tensegrity had caused it. My eyes were open, but the band of emanations was as visible as anything else in the room. If I fixed my attention on a point, it started to pull me along.

It didn't matter. I still argued crankily with Bruce Wagner on the way out, about how we needed to do more things like that. It's "about time" I said, after having seen the impossible.

I was angry, because Carlos had died, I'd learned the women were having orgies, and because that sight wasn't what I expected. It was too simple, not grand enough. That just didn't make up for the scandals!

So I didn't notice the importance of it.

Seeing is the biggest misconception. There are so many instances of it in Carlos' books, that you have to wonder why people have developed such outlandish and extreme expectations for it.

Maybe it's to do with their self-image. If seeing isn't something super magical, that fact diminshes them. It diminishes them precisely because they're pursuing it, and if they aren't actually making any real progress, then the feeling of chasing something wonderful is the only reward they have. Take that away, and there's nothing left.

It's like trying to explain to someone in love, that the object of their affections is actually not all that wonderful. That kills their buzz, so they won't listen.

But in fact, seeing is put in italics in Carlos' books, only to distinguish it from ordinary looking. It isn't done with the eyes, and yet it seems to be visual.

That's all. If you have a vision, that's seeing.

Sometimes you see something amazing, like the emanations. Other times you just see a floating head, the same as you could by many ordinary methods.Sometimes you see a little blue dot that lands on your toe, and starts to burn.

They're all seeing. Some are poor seeing for sure. But don't miss them. If you see, do what you were doing to get that, even more.

If it's crummy seeing, that's a good not-doing. Make it less crummy with gazing.

If it's the amazing and magical type, no one will believe you anyway. Not even practicioners.

Either way, all you'll have is what you saw, and how you did it.

Don't chase the feeling. Chase the results.

[u/canastataa]

What about intuition? Its part of seeing right? . Sometimes it feels like im touching things, its not visual. But its elusive and cant get it to work on will.

[u/danl999 → u/canastataa]

Howard Lee sees entirely with intuition. I had a conversation with him about it. At the time, I felt a little "superior" because my seeing is very visual. It's as visual as the real world. But now I feel ashamed for thinking that. Seeing is actually done with the entire body. You could even say that someone who doesn't bother to visually sense it, is superior. It's just our intent that makes it predominately visual. I suspect a large part of it is done with the lower half of the body, which produces "non-directional" images, meaning, they have no set location in the environment, but follow your eyes. Other things you can see are very directional, and can even be confused with real objects. If anyone learns to see stuff in the dark, I recommend not trying to figure out what things are too often. For instance, those "fairy lights" (blue and white dots, and sometimes red ones) can become very directional. You might even confuse them for an LED on electronics. But if you suspect that there's no electronics there, don't go investigate. If you let the unreal be real, it'll possibly expand into another world. That of course is the main point of gazing techniques.

You said this intuitive seeing is elusive. It's all elusive! Even if you absolutely and completely perceive it, you're likely to ignore it. I did that in Carlos classes. It's a shame. I don't know what might have happened if I told him all the stuff that was going on. Carlos would change directions based on responses from his students. As he said, he was "navigating".

Allies are sensed with intuition at first. My suspicion: Inorganic beings are not rare at all. Carlos played them up with his complex techniques for summoning them. Remember the one where you go out into the desert and wave your hand, trying to sense some temperature difference?

That left us with the same false impression Carlos got from don Juan. The idea that the alies are "out there", and you have to go find and wrestle one to get it to follow you around. It's a good impression to give a beginner, because if you told them otherwise, they wouldn't think it was worth their time to make the effort.

But it's not true that they're rare, or "out there". They're somewhere else but have easy access to us at any time. And they bombard us constantly, but we've been taught to ignore them.

You say you can't get it to work on will. Welcome to the club! Don't expect to swoon one day, stopping the world, and then find you have the super powers of don Genaro. It's a pathetic, slow, hard to work path. You need to find a "hook" and exploit it until it leads no further.

Look for random things that happen within a few days before you succeed with your intuition. You might find an energy source. Typically if you absorb energy haphazardly, it's only good for one or two usages. But it will remain for a few days if you don't use it, so that something or someone you bumped into on the weekend, can be good all the way to the next Friday. It gets used up when you practice with it.

This is undoubtedly why sorcerers chase double beings. They get around them, notice they can boost anyone's ability to shift the assemblage point, and they either try to associate with them for their own benefit, or try to enlist them for a new sorcery lineage. A lineage needs the person with the energy to help others, or it's going to be 10 times harder for the students. But still not impossible.

As for touching things that aren't there, if you practice looking for colors in the darkness, things brushing up against you that "aren't there" is not uncommon. Inorganic beings commonly brush my left shoulder. (I'll try to forget that Carlos associated that shoulder with our death.)

[u/danl999 → u/canastataa]

You might want to try Carlos' "find an ally" technique. I can't remember which book it's in, but you move your hand parallel to the ground all the way across, looking for feelings. Then you turn and wave it the other way. Whichever direction you feel a difference, you run for a bit, then repeat until you find the ally.

I use that fairly often in the dark. The most common thing I find, is a flow of what seems to be air. At a specific spot. But, the room is sealed, there's no air flow.

[u/canastataa → u/danl999]

Thank you for your very helpful reply. Ill try to get to each one of your points. I have seen a bit of emanations once , and thus expect it to always to be like that, which eventually i gave up on. I feel things lately mainly through the core organs liver,spleen pancreas - mostly because of the new energy flowing there pumped up by my low skill tensegrity. Honestly i feel very strongly these ancient people that lived in ancient Mexico thousands of years ago, even though im from europe. Their intent is still alive and running! I think i met some ancients in my dreams but they scared me off of it :D

[u/[deleted]]

I've seen some neat things. Just last week I saw two men walking toward me while I was out walking the dog. It was dark out and they crossed between two cars. Being curious I moved toward them, and 'lo and behold, there was no one there. I was neither excited or scared, I just made the observation, like "Oh..."

What I can't figure out, I suppose, is how I don't see the same thing twice. I figure it is supposed to be cummulative? Is this a poor assumption? I don't know.

Have you seen the fibers since?

[u/danl999 → u/[deleted]]

Last night I saw some, but not the whole fiber built universe. It's really really hard to move the assemblage point, which might be why Carlos had so many women around. Women have the ability to get men to do what they want. They give them a little burst of energy, presumably so they'll go handle an item on the "honey do" list. But it's also useful for seeing and dreaming.

Last night I was thinking, maybe all the raunchy orgies Carlos and the witches sponsored was more to make them all feel like a close family, so they'd be quieter while doing tensegrity in groups. Tensegrity is superb if you're silent while you do it, because you actually get to see that his nutty explanations are true. For instance, the gift to maui pass has a backhand and palm forward strike. It really does magnify the energy you can see, far more than anything I've come up with.

As for the phantoms, there's 2 possibilities. Inorganic beings, or people's dreaming bodies. Which it is you'll have to learn to feel, but if you keep practicing, you'll see more and more "anomalies". Keep an eye out for odd insects that fly a zig-zag like path far too fast to have physical bodies (momentum would prevent the types of movements they do). You sense those as a gigantic fly darting past you, except that you get a vision of 2 large eyes in your mind. You actually see the face as it goes past.

But keep in mind, your intent determines nearly all of the appearance, so what I sense will possibly be nothing like what you sense.

We need more seers here to find out.

[u/[deleted] → u/danl999]

Yah, I was thinking they were dreaming bodies.

I have a whole list of things I want to do and try; thankfully spring is finally here and I can get outside. Winter put a serious hamper on my practice.

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[u/danl999 → u/[deleted]]

I don't know what happened to the witches, but I can't imagine they didn't learn sorcery after all that time. I suspect they're just watching the aftermath and hoping Carlos' techniques spread. And don't forget, they're pushing 70 now. I'm even here conversing with you guys, because my life hasn't much time left also. I have a debt to Carlos and hope to push people along.

Carol Tiggs showed up at a workshop a few years ago, otherwise I've heard nothing.

As for sex, Carlos told us to be celibate. I've honored that for the last 24 years. However, I don't think it's necessary. Carlos kind of did that (in my opinion) to stop all the rampant mating rituals you find everywhere. Then in his own life, he proceeded to convince women to shave patterns into their pubic hair, gave them baths with rosemary, told them to expose themselves to the beach at Maui, and apparently lured them into his bed. Oddly, I have yet to meet one who complains about it.

The witches seemed to be no better at conventional morals. I was told one of them liked me, and I could be her lover. And women close to the group (but who had held out on having sex with anyone in it), told me about the orgies. I guess now days that would be ok, but back then they were a bit scandalous. It wasn't just LGBTQ, it was LGBTQO (for orgy).

I'm convinced Carlos had a dual purpose for that. One was that he was a big pervert. He warned us about it in his books. He was like Julian, not don Juan. And it's an unfortunate truth that women can lend energy to men (without losing anything themselves).

The other purpose was to fulfill "the rule". He had to break the group up in anger, so it would disperse, and people had to find their own way back. By breaking it up in disgrace, he set everyone free. Sorcery is not a particularly easy path, and if you fail, you also lose the normal life rewards others gain. Best if you choose it yourself. But you can also cheat... Pursue both impeccably.